No it would go the other way for SWA. When aircraft age they need more work and the fact the cap is four lines for overhaul in-house due to your scope language, once those lines are filled nose-to-tail all other work will go outside.
Yes they are hiring because people are quitting because we have the worst contract in the industry, some people are quitting and going SWA. I doubt anyone is quitting SWA and going to AA. Overspeed may be doing fine. We, the majority who voted against the worst deal in the industry, aren't doing fine, the only ones that are doing fine are those who are on the Internationals payroll.
There you go lying once again. There is no cap in our contract that holds in-house overhaul to just 4 lines. It says they will add a fourth line after the number of aircraft have been reached, but it has no way or form restricting more lines of maint from coming in, PERIOD. Keep posting your doing great...
Exactly, there is no cap on how much SWA can outsource. Read your own contract, they can outsource anything above four lines and your contract doesn't prohibit them from doing so. So now you can ask for more work and they can say no, contractually we don't have to. Great job AMFA.
How many AMTs has SWA hired over the past year? One hundred? Two hundred? One thousand? You continually miss the point. If you want SWA's contract in place here fine. Ask the committee to bring the entire SWA contract to AA. It will certainly benefit the line but that maximum four lines of airframe and no engine overhaul is going to kill the bottom 4,000 AMTs and OSMs. What happens to Title II under the AMFA/SWA CBA?
They never had a cap and never laid off a single mechanic or gave concessions to "save jobs". We took massive concessions, never had a cap and now that we do have one head count continues to plummet. Are we blow 8000 yet, down from what, was it 18000?
Who said they wanted SWA contract here? You seem to think its one way or the other and leave out all the other carriers that make a lot more than we do. At this point even non union (Delta, Jet Blue and Fed Ex) are doing a hell of a lot better than mechanics at AA. Quantity is no substitute for quality, unless you are an appointed Union official who needs the dues or the headcount to get your own special deal. Go ahead with the scare tactics but you said yourself that AA is hiring, probably hired more than SWA over the last year, in BK while laying off people in Tulsa and Alliance so the facts appear to be that we gave concessions to create jobs at the expense of Overhaul, not save them. Even you admit that Overhaul headcount will continue to be decimated. AA keeps the work in house because they have no place to send it, aren't they way below the cap still? At the rate we are going we will be making Timco or AAR wages before long. By the way both of those outfits are non-union, how do you know that their top paid guys aren't making AA wages now? As a non-union shop they are free to raise wages as much, whenever they want in order to keep the people they want to keep and you have no way of knowing what they make unless they decided to tell you. Are you comparing posted starting wages at AAR and TIMCO to topped out wages at AA when you cite what they make? Another one of your spin tactics? If things were so bad there then how come they aren't looking to join the TWU? Years ago when I came into the industry the gap was only around 20% between starting wages at AAR and our starting wages. Our starting wages have not increased that much, not even as much percentage wise as the minimum wage. Are you saying that we should be happy to make much less than other mechanics when even if AA did layoff more workers , according to you, there are jobs waiting for them at somewhat lower rates of pay at Timco and AAR? rates where they can negotiate on their own for higher wages as many of us did years ago when we first came into this industry? Aren't you the one who claims that if they lose their jobs here that they lose everything because AA is the only employer in the world? That they should willingly accept much reduced wages rather than face zero wages? After years of saying that that accepting thousands of dollars per year in concessions is better than going to zero dollars per year? So now, you admit that even if they lost their job at AA, where they would have 10 year recall, that they would likely find work at TIMCO or AAR and not go to zero dollars and maybe have something good to come back to if they had hit the streets instead of agreeing to concessions?
The claim has always been that SWA gets more than we do but never discusses the whole cost of the contract.
And how many have come back to SWA? "0" DA, cuz none have been furloughed, rif'd, layed-off, or displaced by force on well over 4 decades. Can you claim the same for any other airline? No you cannot. Keep posting DA!!!
That's an easy one. Some people, like yourself with 10 postings under your belt) come on here just to read and not post. When they do they just read the first page they come to, if all they were to see was overspeeds lies over and over again with no one protesting them they would be more to lean in favor of the lies posted and not knowing. Plus people are too lazy to do there own research to gather the facts themselves. The very same issue is still ongoing with 700UW, they are two people spreading lies, and misinformation in order to try and keep the TWU and IAM or the alliance of at both carriers or at the combined carrier-- they (ibt,TWU and IAM) are scared to death of being removed by and replaced with AMFA. Therefore they will say and do anything including collusion with companies, forgeries, and falsifying cards just to keep AMFA out. The fiasco between the ibt, TWU and the company (AA), will come back to bite them all in the a$$...
See this is where you are ultra focused on one thing, layoffs. Very important I agree however what you do not say is if SWA had maintained status quo on HC and lines of work there should be at least 8 lines of heavy overhaul but there is not. AMFA conceded in several of the negotiated extensions to give up job growth that was merely maintaining status quo for a wage increases. True that is what your members wanted but our members at AA always asked us to draw the line on outsourcing. And the TWU did that. Year over year the outsourcing percentage has been one of the lowest in the industry while every other airline change the status quo for outsourcing to more and more. The new status quo for outsourcing has been put in place by AMFA, IBT, and the IAM. AA BK attorneys used all of your CBA's to bash the outsourcing cap in place in the TWU contract as unreasonable and now you throw the fact that we fought to keep those jobs in-house as a problem. It is that fact that you hide or divert attention from and throw up higher wages and no layoffs at SWA as honorable when your union AMFA has led the charge when it comes to selling out good paying stable jobs. Working as a temp at AAR, ATS, or helping grow jobs in El Salvador is not honorable...it's reprehensible.
You claim to be an old timer, “the claim has always been”, well SWA has only made a lot more than us since we gave concessions in 2003. You want to discuss the cost of the contract but not discuss the total costs of outsourcing including the loss of the use of the aircraft for longer periods of time, rework and reliability issues let alone what they end up paying those places.
