And ONLY got a deal by being sued (record sealed so God only knows who they threw under the bus) AND they had to give away more work to foreign repair stations to get another vote! That hypocrite Brett claiming they support the Foreign Maintenance Repair legislation to lure more people to their dying PAC while giving more AMFA scope to those same outsourced foreign MRO's is an absolute joke!
New Card Drive Started @ AA--Mechanic and Related
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I realized that this announcement was never posted about the new card drive at AA for the Mechanic and Related.
Now that AMFA and the Organizers have the exact number of cards they need to collect due to the last ruling by the NMB of who and how many are in the Mechanic and Related Class and Craft, it will be a no brainer.
Wanted to start a new thread for the new card drive. We shall all see in approx 1 year. Good luck to all the Organizers on another grass roots effort card drive....
National Vice President Announces New Card Drive at American Airlines
November 12, 2021 -- We are excited to announce that a new card drive to replace the so-called “Association” has begun. The outcome of the previous drive was suspicious, to say the least, and your union along with the National Mediation Board (NMB) did everything they could to once again thwart...www.amfanational.org
Hey Forrest just thought I’d poke you some more. Yes I know, I know you have me on ignore. 😂
Do you “understand” what “significant discrepancy” means? Here let me explain it to you. It means that after the NMB did their due diligence they discovered that you didn’t have anywhere near the number of cards needed or the correct signatures. In other words AMFA (SSM&P) forged peoples names to make (steal) some dough off the SWA schmucks that pay them for representation.
BTW how much is Seeham going to charge (steal) next time when he submits fake cards again? Personally I think the TWU and IAM should file a complaint with the Department of Justice to have AMFA and Seeham investigated for fraud. With Biden and the Dems in office I’m sure they’d love to look into the shenanigans of some shady Lawyers out to wreck real Unions and stealing money from Union members.
Weak. Keep grasping!
A reminder of some history between two unions. And AMFA is still growing with the addition of Sun Country, soon to be Spirit and JetBlue as well as of course the current card drive still going on @ AA. Keep those cards coming in, and let's get this done this time around. On top of that 10 year growth below AMFA is the only Class and Craft Specific union currently being requested in card drives at 4 other airlines, speaks volumes...
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Are you interviewing to be Loopy Lu’s spokesperson?
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A reminder of some history between two unions. And AMFA is still growing with the addition of Sun Country, soon to be Spirit and JetBlue as well as of course the current card drive still going on @ AA. Keep those cards coming in, and let's get this done this time around. On top of that 10 year growth below AMFA is the only Class and Craft Specific union currently being requested in card drives at 4 other airlines, speaks volumes...
TWU, RATTLED BY AMFA VOTE, RESPONDS IN DESPERATION
Updated On: Apr 22, 2022 April 22, 2022
Dear American Airlines Mechanics and Related Employees:
As you are all aware, a grassroots movement within the TWU/IAM “Association” launched a card drive to allow members an opportunity to unify their representation under AMFA and escape the internal politics and distraction of being represented by two different unions.
The card drive vote was extremely close, but your opportunity to have a choice was blocked by the incumbents. It was so close, in fact, that amongst mechanics and related workers, more than a 60% majority of TWU and IAM paying members requested the representation election without a visit from AMFA. It was the added 1,200 individuals that included the deceased, voluntarily retired and fleet service workgroups that tilted the scales in the other direction.
Most organizations would interpret this outcome as a sign that they needed to work on better representing their membership, or else the next time around, that vote would pass. Not your union and their leadership, however. The TWU, seeking revenge against AMFA (even though the card drive was truly an internally organized movement), is now using your dues to fund an ill-advised raid on AMFA at Southwest Airlines. Southwest mechanics and related workers have the best contract in the commercial airline business today and would never accept being a booby prize for an antiquated mega-union hellbent on revenge. Obviously, the TWU-appointed leadership isn’t doing this because they have the Southwest mechanics’ true and best interests at heart. This move will most certainly backfire, and unfortunately your money will be wasted, again.
In addition, there is a second movement within the Association to petition the AFL-CIO to allow the Association members to vote on being represented by either TWU or IAM, but no longer both. This smoke screen and phantom movement, initiated by TWU Locals 514, 567, and 591, acknowledges the failure of the dual-union Association to faithfully represent its members, the incompatibility of the two unions forming the Association, and that the creation of the Association was a compromise to benefit the union leadership at the expense of its members. In short, TWU was more interested in dues revenue than representation. In appealing to its members, the letter concludes that, “Unfortunately, we will never be able to truly stand as one, as long as there are ‘two’ unions in the Association.” What this means is that TWU is effectively raiding two unions at the same time – AMFA and its own Association partner, IAM. That is the definition of desperate.
The vital lesson in all this is that industrial unions (including TWU & IAM) lack focus, are fearful of choice, and have no authenticity of purpose. This makes them inwardly oriented and selfishly driven to expand their reach and enrich their union leaders at the expense of the dues-paying membership they represent.
It is now clear that the TWU and IAM has struggled with an identity crisis since the day the “Association” was formed. The Association is broken, and always has been. The only question on the table now is how to fix it. One route would be eliminating one of the unions forming the Association via a vote and unifying all the members under the winner. To all of us, this seems more like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic than a solution. In the end, whichever existing union wins the internal “Blue Card” non-sanctioned vote, you are still beholden to the antiquated, top-heavy AFL-CIO mega-union and its army of high-paid executives focused on enriching themselves.
The other route, of course, is to switch to AMFA. AMFA is an independent union with an unparalleled track record of getting its members industry-leading contracts. AMFA is effective because it is dedicated to faithfully representing their members and ensuring they are heard. AMFA is not a general union pretending to be everything to everyone; AMFA is laser-focused on the unique needs and craft of mechanics and related workers. AMFA is better equipped to support these workers because they are the only workers we support – or as we like to say, “One Craft, One Union.”
There has been a lot said during this campaign for representation about job protection, and we would like to put this issue to bed once and for all. In the 10-year period that we were able to identify comparable data (2004 – 2014) for, AMFA increased the SWA Mechanics and Related headcount at Southwest Airlines by 44%. During that same period, TWU Mechanics and Related headcount at American Airlines decreased by 39%![1]
And more recently, during the pandemic, AMFA vigorously enforced its no furlough provisions through arbitration, and not a single AMFA member was laid off during Covid. Sadly, we know that was definitely not the case for TWU/IAM membership at American.
AMFA wants you to have a real choice, and to that end, we are supporting the grass roots AMFA AA organizers in their continued card drive to give you the right to choose and vote for AMFA. If anything has become obvious in the last 18 months, it’s the desperation of the TWU and IAM to cling to the past and protect a status quo that never served you well. AMFA will bring new leadership, new vision, and greater strength against management. AMFA will finally allow you to be heard, and have representation that puts you first, not your money. We ask that you consider this issue carefully, and if you do, we know you will support having a greater say in your future and sign a NMB Sanctioned AMFA card.
Sincerely,
Bret Oestreich
National President
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Do you “understand” what “significant discrepancy” means? Here let me explain it to you. It means that after the NMB did their due diligence they discovered that you didn’t have anywhere near the number of cards needed or the correct signatures. In other words AMFA (SSM&P) forged peoples names to make (steal) some dough off the SWA schmucks that pay them for representation.
BTW how much is Seeham going to charge (steal) next time when he submits fake cards again? Personally I think the TWU and IAM should file a complaint with the Department of Justice to have AMFA and Seeham investigated for fraud. With Biden and the Dems in office I’m sure they’d love to look into the shenanigans of some shady Lawyers out to wreck real Unions and stealing money from Union members.
Horsesh@tA reminder of some history between two unions. And AMFA is still growing with the addition of Sun Country, soon to be Spirit and JetBlue as well as of course the current card drive still going on @ AA. Keep those cards coming in, and let's get this done this time around. On top of that 10 year growth below AMFA is the only Class and Craft Specific union currently being requested in card drives at 4 other airlines, speaks volumes...
TWU, RATTLED BY AMFA VOTE, RESPONDS IN DESPERATION
Updated On: Apr 22, 2022 April 22, 2022
Dear American Airlines Mechanics and Related Employees:
As you are all aware, a grassroots movement within the TWU/IAM “Association” launched a card drive to allow members an opportunity to unify their representation under AMFA and escape the internal politics and distraction of being represented by two different unions.
The card drive vote was extremely close, but your opportunity to have a choice was blocked by the incumbents. It was so close, in fact, that amongst mechanics and related workers, more than a 60% majority of TWU and IAM paying members requested the representation election without a visit from AMFA. It was the added 1,200 individuals that included the deceased, voluntarily retired and fleet service workgroups that tilted the scales in the other direction.
Most organizations would interpret this outcome as a sign that they needed to work on better representing their membership, or else the next time around, that vote would pass. Not your union and their leadership, however. The TWU, seeking revenge against AMFA (even though the card drive was truly an internally organized movement), is now using your dues to fund an ill-advised raid on AMFA at Southwest Airlines. Southwest mechanics and related workers have the best contract in the commercial airline business today and would never accept being a booby prize for an antiquated mega-union hellbent on revenge. Obviously, the TWU-appointed leadership isn’t doing this because they have the Southwest mechanics’ true and best interests at heart. This move will most certainly backfire, and unfortunately your money will be wasted, again.
In addition, there is a second movement within the Association to petition the AFL-CIO to allow the Association members to vote on being represented by either TWU or IAM, but no longer both. This smoke screen and phantom movement, initiated by TWU Locals 514, 567, and 591, acknowledges the failure of the dual-union Association to faithfully represent its members, the incompatibility of the two unions forming the Association, and that the creation of the Association was a compromise to benefit the union leadership at the expense of its members. In short, TWU was more interested in dues revenue than representation. In appealing to its members, the letter concludes that, “Unfortunately, we will never be able to truly stand as one, as long as there are ‘two’ unions in the Association.” What this means is that TWU is effectively raiding two unions at the same time – AMFA and its own Association partner, IAM. That is the definition of desperate.
The vital lesson in all this is that industrial unions (including TWU & IAM) lack focus, are fearful of choice, and have no authenticity of purpose. This makes them inwardly oriented and selfishly driven to expand their reach and enrich their union leaders at the expense of the dues-paying membership they represent.
It is now clear that the TWU and IAM has struggled with an identity crisis since the day the “Association” was formed. The Association is broken, and always has been. The only question on the table now is how to fix it. One route would be eliminating one of the unions forming the Association via a vote and unifying all the members under the winner. To all of us, this seems more like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic than a solution. In the end, whichever existing union wins the internal “Blue Card” non-sanctioned vote, you are still beholden to the antiquated, top-heavy AFL-CIO mega-union and its army of high-paid executives focused on enriching themselves.
The other route, of course, is to switch to AMFA. AMFA is an independent union with an unparalleled track record of getting its members industry-leading contracts. AMFA is effective because it is dedicated to faithfully representing their members and ensuring they are heard. AMFA is not a general union pretending to be everything to everyone; AMFA is laser-focused on the unique needs and craft of mechanics and related workers. AMFA is better equipped to support these workers because they are the only workers we support – or as we like to say, “One Craft, One Union.”
There has been a lot said during this campaign for representation about job protection, and we would like to put this issue to bed once and for all. In the 10-year period that we were able to identify comparable data (2004 – 2014) for, AMFA increased the SWA Mechanics and Related headcount at Southwest Airlines by 44%. During that same period, TWU Mechanics and Related headcount at American Airlines decreased by 39%![1]
And more recently, during the pandemic, AMFA vigorously enforced its no furlough provisions through arbitration, and not a single AMFA member was laid off during Covid. Sadly, we know that was definitely not the case for TWU/IAM membership at American.
AMFA wants you to have a real choice, and to that end, we are supporting the grass roots AMFA AA organizers in their continued card drive to give you the right to choose and vote for AMFA. If anything has become obvious in the last 18 months, it’s the desperation of the TWU and IAM to cling to the past and protect a status quo that never served you well. AMFA will bring new leadership, new vision, and greater strength against management. AMFA will finally allow you to be heard, and have representation that puts you first, not your money. We ask that you consider this issue carefully, and if you do, we know you will support having a greater say in your future and sign a NMB Sanctioned AMFA card.
Sincerely,
Bret Oestreich
National President
We were told retro was being negotiated and the details were being finalized for the M&E members. Retro was based on hourly pay. Unfortunately they pulled it because the lower hourly paid members in other title groups were going to get a smaller retro check. Some rumors were going around that only M&E would get retro. So retro was pulled and we got a small bonus check. Because it was unfair to other members we lost out on retro and the money was divided up more equally. So in other words my retro ended up subsidizing the other work groups to make it fair and equitable. Sounds like socialism within our union ranks. The Association killed the retro payouts. An association that looks out for my best interest at heart. An association that said nothing about the company handing out cheap screwdrivers on AMT day. How many screw drivers does an AMT need? A gift card would have been a better and more appreciated choice.
But the association did give out t shirts on AMT day and they made sure that the TWU name was on it as if the TWU has anything to do with AMT day.
But the association did give out t shirts on AMT day and they made sure that the TWU name was on it as if the TWU has anything to do with AMT day.
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They were never negotiating retro for real because we weren’t entitled to retro since we were in the middle of a contract. Bankruptcy contract or not. If you think we were entitled to retro then give me a date and a reason that you believe it was and should have been?
You got a $6000 Bonus and Fleet only got a $3000 Bonus. So you did get your “your special” reward.
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Here you go 1AA. These are the original opening proposals to the Company dated December 3, 2015. Show me on “wages” anything you see where the Association mentions “retro pay”
Now in the next negotiations we absolutely can talk about retro pay because we will have amendable contracts.
Exactly brother. I remember all that. Once they did pull the retro off the table for the mechanics I was baffled. And now I know why. Retro is deserved from the end of last contract to the signing date of new contract, all o/t, sick, vac, hol, any pay increases should have been calculated and paid to all employees involved. And all employees would have been included in full retro, but this pathetic asso representing you guys currently, is completely destroying and agreeing with the company way, way too much. It really is time for change guys.
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“Retro is deserved from the end of last contract to the signing date of new contract”
I agree wholeheartedly with this comment. Too bad we were all in the middle of contracts and weren’t entitled to any retro.
This poster is unfortunately too dumb to realize that though.
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