Mr. Parker Delta plus 7

[MetalMover]

I'm hoping no one has to leave to hand out candy? Most of those guys I believe are married and their wives should be able to tackle that duty?

How sexist......So it's woman's duty to hand out the candy? 
 
Seriously, they will just drag their feet continually.

 

[1AA]

Ok so Roadshow video #2 link Delta Plus 3% now.

Parker was responding to a pilot. He referenced two things. Pilots and flight attendants and the fact they already had contracts. So in this response on the video you wonder if he references these two work groups since they have contracts in place. He never addresses the association and if Delta plus 7 or 3 applies or not. We need clarification from either the union or company what is applicable to us.

 

[Albert]

Ok so Roadshow video #2 link Delta Plus 3% now.

I was wrong, I'll admit it, this crow doesn't taste that bad. All the more reason to get to the table ASAP

 

[Albert]

Parker was responding to a pilot. He referenced two things. Pilots and flight attendants and the fact they already had contracts. So in this response on the video you wonder if he references these two work groups since they have contracts in place. He never addresses the association and if Delta plus 7 or 3 applies or not. We need clarification from either the union or company what is applicable to us.

I thought it was pretty clear DL+3 only thing Im not sure about is work rules

 

[700UW]

For the ramp its still a $4.87 an hour raise.

 

[WeAAsles]

Parker was responding to a pilot. He referenced two things. Pilots and flight attendants and the fact they already had contracts. So in this response on the video you wonder if he references these two work groups since they have contracts in place. He never addresses the association and if Delta plus 7 or 3 applies or not. We need clarification from either the union or company what is applicable to us.

View the FA part further down. Pretty much explains things even if I'm sure YOU want to twist it around.

 

[WeAAsles]

How sexist......So it's woman's duty to hand out the candy? 
 
Seriously, they will just drag their feet continually.

Nah I doubt it.

That's a lot of money sitting on the table for us and yes Union dues as well.

 

[AANOTOK]

Parker was responding to a pilot. He referenced two things. Pilots and flight attendants and the fact they already had contracts. So in this response on the video you wonder if he references these two work groups since they have contracts in place. He never addresses the association and if Delta plus 7 or 3 applies or not. We need clarification from either the union or company what is applicable to us.

From what I watched/heard, pilots and Fa's will not get any adjustment and will be making less until their contracts are up.
As he stated, it was Delta +7 up until last week and now it is Delta + 3 using his funny math with Delta taking a 10% cut in profit sharing which amounts to a 4.5% raise when all is said and done.
The is hogwash since we do not get profit sharing. Based on hourly pay, we should get Delta plus 7. It is appls and oranges and should not be applied. Now if you want to twist, turn, change work rules or other money taking items to off set this raise, go for it, start negotiating it. But if the Association allows them to spin this...

 

[MetalMover]

Nah I doubt it.

That's a lot of money sitting on the table for us and yes Union dues as well.

How about a town hall meeting featuring the company and the union and we will see who is to blame?

 

[WeAAsles]

From what I watched/heard, pilots and Fa's will not get any adjustment and will be making less until their contracts are up.
As he stated, it was Delta +7 up until last week and now it is Delta + 3 using his funny math with Delta taking a 10% cut in profit sharing which amounts to a 4.5% raise when all is said and done.
The is hogwash since we do not get profit sharing. Based on hourly pay, we should get Delta plus 7. It is appls and oranges and should not be applied. Now if you want to twist, turn, change work rules or other money taking items to off set this raise, go for it, start negotiating it. But if the Association allows them to spin this...

From what I understand Delta didn't take a 10% cut, they took a 50% cut if the airline makes exactly the same profit in 2016 as they do this year.

On the other stuff again that's what I pay my negotiators to figure out for me? And then I'll cast my vote yea or nay?

 

[WeAAsles]

How about a town hall meeting featuring the company and the union and we will see who is to blame?

Blame for what? What are we talking about now Metal? You basically got possibly concrete proof that we were probably better off with all these stalls we've been going through. Without them just like the FAS and the Pilots we'd be locked in. You guys would be even more pissed off if this announcement about Delta came out and we got squat.

I can guarantee the running mantra would be "What the hell did these morons rush for" "We were sold out" "They knew it all along" "The first screwing by the Association" "Damn the TWU to Hell, damn them all the way to Hell"

So in BASE wages what are you guys going to be looking at? Who's done the math?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

From what I watched/heard, pilots and Fa's will not get any adjustment and will be making less until their contracts are up.
As he stated, it was Delta +7 up until last week and now it is Delta + 3 using his funny math with Delta taking a 10% cut in profit sharing which amounts to a 4.5% raise when all is said and done.
The is hogwash since we do not get profit sharing. Based on hourly pay, we should get Delta plus 7. It is appls and oranges and should not be applied. Now if you want to twist, turn, change work rules or other money taking items to off set this raise, go for it, start negotiating it. But if the Association allows them to spin this...

If we allow the union to let them get away with this "AA Management" math then shame on us.  It's still a 14.5% raise no matter how you look at it.  Only AA could spin that into a 10% pay cut.  Make sure your union leadership understands you expect nothing less.  Do not let them pull the bait and switch again.

 

[AANOTOK]

IF WeAAsles?...So let's see, if I take (going with your numbers) a 50% paycut, I will go down to $12.19. Let's say Delta who makes $26.75 (just a number) and makes the exact same profit in 2016, they still make $26.75. They will only recieve a smaller profit sharing check. Our profit sharing check if we make the same profit in 2016, you got it, it's still zero. Again, Delta wages is what the whole Delta plus 7 was based on, is that not right?

 

[topDawg]

From what I watched/heard, pilots and Fa's will not get any adjustment and will be making less until their contracts are up.
As he stated, it was Delta +7 up until last week and now it is Delta + 3 using his funny math with Delta taking a 10% cut in profit sharing which amounts to a 4.5% raise when all is said and done.
The is hogwash since we do not get profit sharing. Based on hourly pay, we should get Delta plus 7. It is appls and oranges and should not be applied. Now if you want to twist, turn, change work rules or other money taking items to off set this raise, go for it, start negotiating it. But if the Association allows them to spin this...

Thats wrong. 
 
The PS plan is a 20% pay out IF the company makes more than it did the year before, if we fail to make more than the year before its a 10% pay out. 
So PS was cut 50% 
 
And we also got an extra 1% added to the 401K match. 

 

[AANOTOK]

I guess I misinterpeted what Doug was saying. I will go back and listen again. But obviously you should know. Thanks.
 
Edit: Nope, Doug said a 10% paycut but a added it would be an actual W2 4.5% pay increase.
Later on he did say if Delta made the exact profit in 2016 it would be ten percentage points less in profit sharing.
So, based on what you said dawg, a 20% payout and losing 10 percenatge points adds up to 50% less money in your PS check.