Mr. Parker Delta plus 7

[WeAAsles]

As a show of good faith what could (should) be done is incorporate the 7% above the "current" Delta rate now. That still leaves plenty of meat left on the bone for the two sides to argue about or come to terms with at the negotiating table.

Doug says he wants labor peace and for us to have a full commitment in being a part of AA's future success? Well holding the first portion back I really don't believe achieves that goal. And he has also stated in roadshows that the increases have already been budgeted (implying past tense)

December 1 will come along very quickly and personally if we don't receive an increase before then all I can (honestly) see is the pressure and animosity building against both parties sitting across from each other at that negotiating table.

But this call is on Parker and the BOD to make.

 

[eolesen]

Amazing. Reading that chart from Delta sends a message. Catch me if you can. In your face. Who needs a union when you have Delta who compensates their employees with figures like this. It tells me Delta appreciates and respects their workers.

No, it says that DL will pay them just enough not to vote in a union.

If you really expect to get 7% on top of what DL just raised their book to, you're overdue for a drug tap and/or psych eval. AA can't afford that.

What you might be able to get is 7% above the current rates at DL, but not after the 14.5% bump in December.

 

[Kev3188]

No, it says that DL will pay them just enough not to vote in a union.

^This^

On top of that, DALPA is a factor. Remember, they have a "me too" clause that kicks in after 12/31.

And if this puts some pressure on talks at WN & AA, then I'm sure the C-suite will see that as all the better...

 

[WeAAsles]

No, it says that DL will pay them just enough not to vote in a union.If you really expect to get 7% on top of what DL just raised their book to, you're overdue for a drug tap and/or psych eval. AA can't afford that.What you might be able to get is 7% above the current rates at DL, but not after the 14.5% bump in December.

E remember that raise also comes with dramatic changes to the PS formula. Someone on another page did the formula for what that actually means and concluded that if the change existed right now, then the raise would only come out to a little over 5%.

Still a very nice raise nontheless in their yearly compensation but not quite as dramatic as it appears on the surface.

And I have to disagree that AA will not be able to afford it. Industry consolidation has filled those metal tunes to capacity (can they continue to exercise constraint) while the long term forcast for oil doesn't bring it back up to $80.00 per barrel for a number of years. Not to mention AA getting rid of their gas guzzlers as a hedge against that forecast being wrong.

AA yes currently laden with debt though but they also have about 10 Billion in cash currently so that gives them lots of wiggle room. And if the American economy continues to improve (real wages rise) then they will have the ability to pass on extra costs to the passengers. I'm also hearing that AA is no longer running away from the LLC's that hop over the fence into their backyard (Excellent)

Personally I kind of wish we did have PS to give a little cushion in case something doea happen to dampen those headwinds (Thinking from a business perspective) but you and I both know that the company has measures it can take in the far future if they need to bring costs back down. They're not pretty but they've already successfully used them twice in my career.

(And all the Unions should be on board with assisting in this Gulf carrier problem IMO, that has the capacity to cause some major damage to revenue in the future if left unchecked)

 

[Kev3188]

The change in PS may mitigate the percentage increase, but to E's point, that won't matter. Don't discount the social psychology in announcing a future base rate...

 

[WeAAsles]

The change in PS may mitigate the percentage increase, but to E's point, that won't matter. Don't discount the social psychology in announcing a future base rate...

There is no better form of warfare than psychological.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh and I forgot to mention in my numbers run. All of those bag fees, change you seat fees, change your airplane fees, talk to a human fees, the color of your clothes fees and your circulated air fees.

Those fees have been adding up something silly. (Drawing too much attention from the wrong sets of eyes though)

But even though I believe a lot of those fees are here to stay?

Can I please at least get one more lousy inch of legroom? "That will be an extra $100.00 sir"

 

[1AA]

No, it says that DL will pay them just enough not to vote in a union.If you really expect to get 7% on top of what DL just raised their book to, you're overdue for a drug tap and/or psych eval. AA can't afford that.What you might be able to get is 7% above the current rates at DL, but not after the 14.5% bump in December.

I know we won't get nothing. It's a game to piss off the union members against the union leadership. Divide and conquer. Delta has a history of giving a pay increase to keep unions out. They just did it again. But if you listen to what Parker said you have to wonder who is taking him for his word.

 

[WeAAsles]

I know we won't get nothing.

Ay yi yi. You see this is where you lose your credibility. Nothing? Ok.

 

[Albert]

No, it says that DL will pay them just enough not to vote in a union.

If you really expect to get 7% on top of what DL just raised their book to, you're overdue for a drug tap and/or psych eval. AA can't afford that.

What you might be able to get is 7% above the current rates at DL, but not after the 14.5% bump in December.

For fleet service the old DL+7% is $26.55 the new DL+7  is $30.50. Thats 4 dollars an hour more, times that by 40= 160 a week. Times that by 52 = an extra $8320 per year. Fleet  has one of the lower pay scales  in the company so  for arguments sake  if we  take $8320 times 100,000 employees (because all employee  groups get DL+7%) well I ran out of fingers but we are not getting the new DL+7%

 

[WeAAsles]

For fleet service the old DL+7% is $26.55 the new DL+7  is $30.50. Thats 4 dollars an hour more, times that by 40= 160 a week. Times that by 52 = an extra $8320 per year. Fleet  has one of the lower pay scales  in the company so  for arguments sake  if we  take $8320 times 100,000 employees (because all employee  groups get DL+7%) well I ran out of fingers but we are not getting the new DL+7%

Wherever our negotiating committees wind up meeting in the future, please make sure to stay as far away as you possibly can. 

Thank you.

 

[Albert]

Wherever our negotiating committees wind up meeting in the future, please make sure to stay as far away as you possibly can. 

Thank you.

Dont worry  I'll be senile by then

 

[Albert]

Wherever our negotiating committees wind up meeting in the future, please make sure to stay as far away as you possibly can. 

Thank you.

 Oh WeAAsles if you do finish the math, in comes out to a gazillion dollars. After the merger is complete I'm thinking of checking out that southern Fla lifestyle you speak so highly of. These NY winters have been brutal.Maybe I could get a locker right next to yours

 

[Rogallo]

 Oh WeAAsles if you do finish the math, in comes out to a gazillion dollars. After the merger is complete I'm thinking of checking out that southern Fla lifestyle you speak so highly of. These NY winters have been brutal.Maybe I could get a locker right next to yours

 
And maybe you'll get to use the TWU executive lavatory! 

 

[swamt]

^This^

On top of that, DALPA is a factor. Remember, they have a "me too" clause that kicks in after 12/31.

And if this puts some pressure on talks at WN & AA, then I'm sure the C-suite will see that as all the better...

Kev, I may be reading into this too deep, but let's see.  You state that the pilots have a "me too" clause that kicks in 12-31.  Could it be that Delta is playing a back-door card by giving all non-union employees the 14.5% raise, the PS changes in order to exercise the "me too" clause come 12-31? Think about it.  The pilots were successful in getting the "me too" inserted and Delta very well might use this to their advantage and have it implemented on 12-31 so that the pilots have to take it per their contract---BAM---Delta get's what they want with the pilots after all and all by using their own contract language with the "me too" clause.  It may sound far fetch, but could it happen???  Just a thought, what's your opinion on this?