More Time for Judge Lane

[TWU informer]

Jim is underpaid. According to the 2008 LM-2 that AMFA filed with the Department of Labor, AMFA paid Director O. V. Delle-Femine $560,394. Pretty good given that he successfully engineered an ill advised strike at NWA and didn't defend the UA outsourcing language and allowed thousands to be laid off as a result.

The NWA Membership egineered that strike. AMFA is not like the TWU, the membership actually controls that Union.
Big difference Delle-Femine was voted out by the AMFA Membership and I will get my ballot regarding James C. Little when? Right after the next "without further ratification" labor agreement that last for 8 years and leads to a Bankruptcy filing by the employer? While two Maintenance Bases are shut down and the work group loses over 4000 members? Save jobs my ass!

Every item used by the TWU against AMFA during the last organizing campaign has now happened to the TWU.

 

[Overspeed]

Why did the TWU use FEAR to attempt to save 900 jobs in Tulsa using massive concessions, but then signed a term sheet US Air that only protects 4500 AMT's in Tulsa for 24 months?

Why hasn't the powerful AFL-CIO using millions of dollars from our paychecks, get the Bankruptcy Laws changed after you can demonstrate 33 cases of Unions taking it in the shorts when you are spreading fear?

Why are appointed and not Elected by the Membership?

Why did the membership vote on something that is so divisive when the negotiators did not agree to it?

Why is that when other Unions lost pay, benefits, and work scope it was those Union's fault, but no that it happens to the TWU, there is no talk about how bad this Union sucks.....at least from the leaders and propaganda. Plenty of TWU members are talking now.

The TWU used facts, not fear, to educate the membership to vote. They did and they voted to reject. Isn't that what you wanted? The US Air deal was signed by all the unions, not just the TWU. My personal opinion is that was a bad idea. It is biting all the unions in ass now. All the unions have undermined their arguments that concessions are not needed for AA to survive after they had access to the internal data but will roll over on almost all concessions with US Air with practically no data. Bad move on the APA, APFA, and TWU's part in my opinion.

The 1113c process is bankruptcy reform brought on by master union buster Lorenzo. There obviously needs to be more reform. Even Crandall argued for BK reform. Remember he was pissed that airlines could run for years in BK protection while AA had to pay its bills. Corporations in the US have the deck stacked in their favor which is exactly why the attorneys and many (educated on the process) union reps recommended you to vote yes on the deal. If you know you are going to get your ass kicked in BK court that's not called fear, that's called respect for the process and the facts.

Your Int'l reps are elected. Through a delegate process. Maybe you should vote in new delegates next time. It is not unusual for some additional staff positions to be appointed.

The membership voted on it because the Int'l committed to it. Don't you think the membership should vote in something critical like the future of their jobs?

In your opinion this union sucks. The TWU never made promises like AMFA made and then lost the jobs of more than 50% of the members they originally represented. Was AS in BK when they shutdown OAK? No. Was UA in BK when they continued to outsource all their airframe overhaul? No.

 

[Overspeed]

The NWA Membership egineered that strike. AMFA is not like the TWU, the membership actually controls that Union.
Big difference Delle-Femine was voted out by the AMFA Membership and I will get my ballot regarding James C. Little when? Right after the next "without further ratification" labor agreement that last for 8 years and leads to a Bankruptcy filing by the employer? While two Maintenance Bases are shut down and the work group loses over 4000 members? Save jobs my ass!

Every item used by the TWU against AMFA during the last organizing campaign has now happened to the TWU.

You vote to reject so you got the situation you asked for plain and simple.

 

[TWU informer]

The TWU used facts, not fear, to educate the membership to vote. They did and they voted to reject. Isn't that what you wanted? The US Air deal was signed by all the unions, not just the TWU. My personal opinion is that was a bad idea. It is biting all the unions in ass now. All the unions have undermined their arguments that concessions are not needed for AA to survive after they had access to the internal data but will roll over on almost all concessions with US Air with practically no data. Bad move on the APA, APFA, and TWU's part in my opinion.

The 1113c process is bankruptcy reform brought on by master union buster Lorenzo. There obviously needs to be more reform. Even Crandall argued for BK reform. Remember he was pissed that airlines could run for years in BK protection while AA had to pay its bills. Corporations in the US have the deck stacked in their favor which is exactly why the attorneys and many (educated on the process) union reps recommended you to vote yes on the deal. If you know you are going to get your ass kicked in BK court that's not called fear, that's called respect for the process and the facts.

Your Int'l reps are elected. Through a delegate process. Maybe you should vote in new delegates next time. It is not unusual for some additional staff positions to be appointed.

The membership voted on it because the Int'l committed to it. Don't you think the membership should vote in something critical like the future of their jobs?

In your opinion this union sucks. The TWU never made promises like AMFA made and then lost the jobs of more than 50% of the members they originally represented. Was AS in BK when they shutdown OAK? No. Was UA in BK when they continued to outsource all their airframe overhaul? No.

You clip the questions you do not want to address, and then fail to answer anything.

You simply live on the past and ignore the present. You fail to hold the TWU to the same standard you use to measure others and then blame anyone and everything for what has happened right here at AA on yours and the TWU's watch. Your world must be really bliss, since you are appointed not held accountable, and in your mind someone or something else is to blame for all of the TWU and James C Little Failures.

We will all be out of job before you wake the "F" up and face the truth?

 

[Buck]

China isn't the only place. At the MRO Americas show Central and South America are being touted as the next airframe overhaul growth area. And check this out, as a testament to how bad the economy is, the "experts" at the show discussed that the rising labor costs in Asia have now made the US midwest and southern states competitive on labor costs.

AAR just leased the former NWA facility in MN, DL has invested more in Aeromexico (building more hangars), and Aeroman is building more hangars in El Salvador.

At the MRO Americas show Central and South America are being touted as the next airframe overhaul growth area.

Did you attend the show ?

 

[Overspeed]

Did you attend the show ?

No but I signed up for tweets and updates from the show on the AW&ST website. Good info resource and a great way to fact check the Owens fairy tale machine.

 

[Buck]

No but I signed up for tweets and updates from the show on the AW&ST website. Good info resource and a great way to fact check the Owens fairy tale machine.

Why did you answer me with a stab at Bob Owens?

Now is American Airlines going to convert to hybrid jet engines because the MRO market for jet fuel engines is going away in the next 50-75 years? Yea I read that at ATW .

Why don't you concentrate on what's going on here and the topic?

Can you defend the 25+ years of TWU give backs?

 

[TWU informer]

Why did you answer me with a stab at Bob Owens?
Can you defend the 25+ years of TWU give backs?

TWU Sympathizers have a well known pattern.
They defend the atrocious track record of the TWU by creating villains in their minds.

Today we have seen the mental villains of OverSpeed that are used to deflect attention away from the TWU, which include Frank Lorenzo, O.V. Delle-Femine, and Bob Owens.

They refuse to keep their thoughts in the present and refuse to allow the TWU failures to enter their minds.
Instead they live a life of using the past and their villains to deflect attention away from the numerous defects within the TWU.

Focus on Villains and the Past, leads to leaders that fear the future.

No new ideas, no change of direction. Just fear.

Meanwhile the TWU ideas, and the poltical arena battle of the AFL-CIO allow complete decimation of living standards and a destruction of a profession. All the while the appointed TWU Leaders never take the concessions they impose on the membership.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Why did you answer me with a stab at Bob Owens?

Now is American Airlines going to convert to hybrid jet engines because the MRO market for jet fuel engines is going away in the next 50-75 years? Yea I read that at ATW .

Why don't you concentrate on what's going on here and the topic?

Can you defend the 25+ years of TWU give backs?

Excellent questions, Mr. Buck but I'll not be holding my breath for truthful answers.

 

[Ed Norton]

Jim is underpaid. According to the 2008 LM-2 that AMFA filed with the Department of Labor, AMFA paid Director O. V. Delle-Femine $560,394. Pretty good given that he successfully engineered an ill advised strike at NWA and didn't defend the UA outsourcing language and allowed thousands to be laid off as a result.

Would this be the same strike in which the TWU, AFL-CIO organized a scab job fair to replace striking AMFA workers at NWA?

 

[aapitbull]

The TWU used facts, not fear, to educate the membership to vote. They did and they voted to reject. Isn't that what you wanted? The US Air deal was signed by all the unions, not just the TWU. My personal opinion is that was a bad idea. It is biting all the unions in ass now. All the unions have undermined their arguments that concessions are not needed for AA to survive after they had access to the internal data but will roll over on almost all concessions with US Air with practically no data. Bad move on the APA, APFA, and TWU's part in my opinion.

The 1113c process is bankruptcy reform brought on by master union buster Lorenzo. There obviously needs to be more reform. Even Crandall argued for BK reform. Remember he was pissed that airlines could run for years in BK protection while AA had to pay its bills. Corporations in the US have the deck stacked in their favor which is exactly why the attorneys and many (educated on the process) union reps recommended you to vote yes on the deal. If you know you are going to get your ass kicked in BK court that's not called fear, that's called respect for the process and the facts.

Your Int'l reps are elected. Through a delegate process. Maybe you should vote in new delegates next time. It is not unusual for some additional staff positions to be appointed.

The membership voted on it because the Int'l committed to it. Don't you think the membership should vote in something critical like the future of their jobs?

In your opinion this union sucks. The TWU never made promises like AMFA made and then lost the jobs of more than 50% of the members they originally represented. Was AS in BK when they shutdown OAK? No. Was UA in BK when they continued to outsource all their airframe overhaul? No.

At the last convention most of the current leadership ran unopposed, if you call that a election then Saddam Huessain was elected in Iraq as well as far as what the TWU leaders said in the past be careful what you say here, because I am in possesion of a Team Twu video featuring Kevin Hammock among others and they said many interesting things about AMFA and Dell and in time I am sure they will appear here for all to see.

By the way isn"t Team Twu leader Kevin Hammock now a member of AA managment you guys sure can pick leaders.

 

[aapitbull]

At the last convention most of the current leadership ran unopposed, if you call that a election then Saddam Huessain was elected in Iraq as well as far as what the TWU leaders said in the past be careful what you say here, because I am in possesion of a Team Twu video featuring Kevin Hammock among others and they said many interesting things about AMFA and Dell and in time I am sure they will appear here for all to see.

By the way isn"t Team Twu leader Kevin Hammock now a member of AA managment? you guys sure can pick leaders..

 

[Frank Szabo]

At the last convention most of the current leadership ran unopposed, if you call that a election then Saddam Huessain was elected in Iraq as well as far as what the TWU leaders said in the past be careful what you say here, because I am in possesion of a Team Twu video featuring Kevin Hammock among others and they said many interesting things about AMFA and Dell and in time I am sure they will appear here for all to see.

By the way isn"t Team Twu leader Kevin Hammock now a member of AA managment you guys sure can pick leaders.

That's the "talent" that's continually talked about.

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[Buck]

China isn't the only place. At the MRO Americas show Central and South America are being touted as the next airframe overhaul growth area. And check this out, as a testament to how bad the economy is, the "experts" at the show discussed that the rising labor costs in Asia have now made the US midwest and southern states competitive on labor costs.

AAR just leased the former NWA facility in MN, DL has invested more in Aeromexico (building more hangars), and Aeroman is building more hangars in El Salvador.

When are you, Mullins and John Richards going to El Salvador?

 

[Overspeed]

Why did you answer me with a stab at Bob Owens?

Now is American Airlines going to convert to hybrid jet engines because the MRO market for jet fuel engines is going away in the next 50-75 years? Yea I read that at ATW .

Why don't you concentrate on what's going on here and the topic?

Can you defend the 25+ years of TWU give backs?

It's pretty simple. You have two choices given the industry's operating environment over the past thirty years. Jobs for money or money for jobs. You can't have both increasing in numbers working within an inflexible work environment whether it is driven by the union, management, or both. So givebacks could be swapping jobs for pay through increased outsourcing of work and then the TWU would be blamed for allowing all the jobs to be outsourced. Or, what was done was keeping work from being outsourced and coming up with ideas to create entry level positions where an employee could accrue seniority within the company.

There was one variable that could have been changed and provided us to ability to maintain jobs and higher pay. A leaner, more efficient, and flexible work environment would have provided the opportunity to work with fewer people making more money and keep the work in-house. That is what Videtich was angling for but the combination of dysfunctional management and dealing cutting Locals worked harder and harder to tank the ideas.

I read that article too. I was answering what my info source was about the MRO show. Yes, I threw in a Bob jab.