Judge Assisted Agreement Negotiations

[olderguyAMT]

JUST TELL THE JUDGE AND AA

BINDING ARBITRATION

If the judge doesnt want to decide let an arbitrator do it. Three years of negotiating enough of the BS

This process is ridiculous.

Whatever the outcome if there is an agreement, we have the final say. The co. will try to hammer us, and force feed an agreement quickly. The pie will be sweetened.....and they will want a snappy quick vote.
Expect more meetings and more videos. There will be a deadline, just like the last time we voted, and the union officers will be making their rounds once again.
Will history repeat itself? Every BK is different, and who knows maybe we'll be setting a brand new precedent.

But things have changed recently with all the BS.

Our happy flags have fallen off the flag pole.

Hey don't rush us, let us ponder this important decision, and not go into it blindly without thinking.

Our best advantage may be that ticking time clock. Tick, tick, tick US Air is waiting in the hallway now. Horton wanted to hammer us yesterday; still does. Big Ben is ticking away, giving us a little leverage.
Who is getting nervous?

The Co. went into BK with truck loads of cash, and used fuzzy numbers just to trick and slam us with BS wages and piddly raises, job cuts, bad language, crappy letters of agreement, and demotions. But we proved some important things to them. The LBO was not the last offer, nor was it their best offer!

What else did we learn?

 

[paul1]

hostess filed in ny also



http://www.newjerseybankruptcynow.com/judge-rules-hostess-must-maintain-teamsters-union-contract/

 

[TWU informer]

Judge Lane's decision will hinge on what Judge Peck reports to him after mediated negotiations.

If Company does not move towards the Union "Deny Abrogation".

If Union does not negotiate reasonable cost reductions. "Affirm Abrogation"

Judge Peck is Judge Lanes Compass for Direction!!!

AA Management over reached in their demands.
and the Union and Company must both mover towards the middle ground now.

 

[Airlinesforever]

Judge Peck is known for the Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc. bankruptcy case.

 

[700UW]

Under Sect 1167 of the code thats supposed to be the way it works for those under the RLA.

And you know that only applies to the railroads, you even posted this, go ask Sharon Levine.

 

[Mr Red]

And you know that only applies to the railroads, you even posted this, go ask Sharon Levine.

SEC. 3. Section 1167 of the Bankruptcy Code is amended to read as follows:

`Neither the court, the debtor in possession, nor the trustee may change the wages or working conditions of employees of the debtor established by any collective-bargaining agreement that is subject to the Railway Labor Act except in accordance with section 6 of such Act (45 U.S.C. 156).'.


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[Bob Owens]

JUST TELL THE JUDGE AND AA

BINDING ARBITRATION

If the judge doesnt want to decide let an arbitrator do it. Three years of negotiating enough of the BS

This process is ridiculous.

Not in favor of that either, maybe a through a PBGC but not though anyone involved in BK

 

[Bob Owens]

And you know that only applies to the railroads, you even posted this, go ask Sharon Levine.

Didnt say otherwise, the question is why doesnt it apply to Airlines? The sect says contracts under the Railway Labor act, not Railroads only. Our contracts are under the RLA. Some Judge made that decision, not the people who wrote and put the law in place. The reasoning behind 1167 applies to both Airlines and Rails now, because they do not want disruptions to transportation. When Continental voided ALPAs contracts they were allowed to strike, nothing in 1113 changed that but in 2007 a couple of Activist Judges decided that the Flight Attendants could not strike. Reasoning? Because the RLA limits our ability to strike. But the RLA makes it clear that if the company unilaterally changes our terms (such as in BK or being released to self help through normal Sect 6 negotiations) that we can strike. So what did Marerro do? He declared himself the Pope and basically didnt abrogate it which the code allows, like what happens under the RLA when the parties are released, he decided to broaden the power of the court and he "annuled it" said it never existed, so the Unions could not cite status quo and strike, they had to start negotiations as if the contract never existed and the labor movement did nothing about it!!!

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

Not in favor of that either, maybe a through a PBGC but not though anyone involved in BK

Well if the company wont budge maybe the arbitrator can find the middle ground between us and the company. If the company refuses to negotiate a little relief dont you think the arbitrator would push them to the middle and say 50 percent from AA and 50 percent from the twu done deal. I dont see the company giving anything, much less 50 percent. We will be at the bottom of the industry for the next 6-10 years if the company gets what they want. After negotiating for over three years the only miracle I see is aboragation of the CBA or giving in to the companys demands of take it or leave it BS. Arbitration seems impartial and hopefully some middle ground. Something which the company refuses to do...
Just sayin