More Airline Cuts Ahead ? (Post Gazette 9/13)

[Prince of PAWOBs]

BTW folks: Myrtle Beach Direct Air announced today that they would continue service to Myrtle Beach through the winter.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/1...330/detail.html

Looks like another airline has confidence that PIT can provide sufficient O&D traffic.

 

[FutureCEO]

At the end of the day most of the information you here with respect to PIT is rhetoric from one airline on why they can't justify flight levels from a profit standpoint. Let's just look at one specific city pair that I think sums up the travails of the US experience in PIT, ATL-PIT. Regardless of where you pull your data what you will see is that ATL is a top 10 O&D passenger market for PIT. Why is it that the #1 airline in the PIT market cannot "justify" flights to a market with substantial non-connecting demand? The answer has little to do with PIT market dynamics and alot to do with the ineffective management of US.

 

[songbirdstew]

Aside from that if 1999 was the cut off for NOV transfers then there are probably a lot of F/As 1999 and junior who will want to get into CLT in DEC.

Shouldn't they be announcing DEC F/A transfers soon? Usually aren't they out by about now ? NOV transfers were announced 8/10 and paperwork had to be in by 8/20......was uuuuupppppp?????

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

At the end of the day most of the information you here with respect to PIT is rhetoric from one airline on why they can't justify flight levels from a profit standpoint. Let's just look at one specific city pair that I think sums up the travails of the US experience in PIT, ATL-PIT. Regardless of where you pull your data what you will see is that ATL is a top 10 O&D passenger market for PIT. Why is it that the #1 airline in the PIT market cannot "justify" flights to a market with substantial non-connecting demand? The answer has little to do with PIT market dynamics and alot to do with the ineffective management of US.

And perhaps a small item you neglected to mention--DAL fortress hub.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

I'll preface my comments by reminding you of how much I respect you and your opinion. I hold both in the highest regard.

Now, considering that PIT might end up becoming mostly Express flying, what is to keep Tempe from keeping PSA there instead of Mainline? Our pays rates are much lower than Mainline and we have a contract already in place. In addition, we would only have to be trained on one addtional regional jet type in the Embraer family, which Republic has been pushing for anyway, citing reduced costs as the major reason. Mainline employees would have to be trained on five additional aircraft, both regional jets and turboprops.

Unless, of course, they would transfer all of the PSA employees to Mainline. We wouldn't mind another raise.

Prince, I do feel we both understand the logistics of the PIT situation------But you must realize what the mainline group has sacrificed over the years starting in 1991 with the express work yanked right out from underneath us---Hell we even had to train our replacements-----Just think about that----One day you come to work and the company tells you that ASII will be taking over your jobs and oh, by the way you have to train them....pretty bad, but that's how it went down...

Now I could see why the company did this in 1991, 1st we had just lost our union and our language that protected these jobs---2nd this was a chance for the company to exact revenge-----and save money at the same time.

But to be realistic, now you must admit that running this operation with 2 separate work groups and all the baggage that comes with it is just ludicrous.....With the flight levels running out of PIT today....

Now depending on what these retards do in PIT-----Our contract scope language requires the company to utilize mainline employees to work mainliine a/c...the schedule would pretty much have to go down to around 5-7 mainlne flights a day for them to be able to completely outsource the work---Now I'm not saying this won't happen---What i am saying is that if management would have listened to us when the merger happened and consolidated the 2 groups into 1 back then when PIT still had around 200 flts. a day ---We all would not be in the position we are in now......And if the company is required to utilize mainline employees it just makes common sense to run the operation efficiently to maximize the cost savings associated with running a tight ship....

I do understand your position and dully respect it---as you are one of the few people it seems in this company who actually understand what the problem with US is and what needs to be done to fix it, but you must understand where all of the hard working dedicated 20+ year mainline employees are coming from when it comes to this situation.....

I for one would have no problem allowing the company to bring in the existing employees from PSA into our group as lets say a token of good will.....

It's just too bad that the short sightedness of this management team can not even figure out something as simple as 1st grade math when it comes to this, so I do feel we will both be moving on--

Good Luck to you!

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

PIT wishes it was the new CVG. It won't even be a CVG or a STL.

Continental Airlines Announces Major Expansion at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070914/laf028.html?.v=101

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews...20070914?rpc=44

Funny how all of the other majors manage to run mid-size hubs in mid size markets----including US in CLT----

 

[AstroLounge]

And perhaps a small item you neglected to mention--DAL fortress hub.

Hmmm..............no Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, San Diego or Seattle? Shall I ASSume the service to Altoona , Dubois and Erie remains though? (And let's play that game again......"When I say Tempe, you say.......?" "STUPID"

 

[leprechaun]

PITTSBURG IS DEAD!

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

PITTSBURG IS DEAD!

Yes Leprechaun---and so will be the entire airline once your boy Dougweiser gets done with it---Correct me if I'm wrong you are AWA right?

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

Prince, I do feel we both understand the logistics of the PIT situation------

...

Good Luck to you!

Agreed. We work together everyday as a TEAM at that airport, and the relationship between the two workgroups is probably better than it ever has been. A lot of our employees are either former Mainline or have spouses or family members who work for Mainline in different capacities, so all of us have a much better understanding of what was taken from you by the company. We are reminded constantly, but I don't think it's viewed with anything but respect.

On a side note, I notice someone keeps hammering PIT IS DEAD on this forum, and whereas I don't mind those posters who express an opinion, I noticed someone got lambasted by a moderator in another thread for posting a picture that supposedly didn't contribute to the discussion. It seems like a bit of a double standard to single one poster out versus another.

The poster made his/her point a while ago. It seems like they are simply flame-baiting for kicks, IMO.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Agreed. We work together everyday as a TEAM at that airport, and the relationship between the two workgroups is probably better than it ever has been. A lot of our employees are either former Mainline or have spouses or family members who work for Mainline in different capacities, so all of us have a much better understanding of what was taken from you by the company. We are reminded constantly, but I don't think it's viewed with anything but respect.

On a side note, I notice someone keeps hammering PIT IS DEAD on this forum, and whereas I don't mind those posters who express an opinion, I noticed someone got lambasted by a moderator in another thread for posting a picture that supposedly didn't contribute to the discussion. It seems like a bit of a double standard to single one poster out versus another.

The poster made his/her point a while ago. It seems like they are simply flame-baiting for kicks, IMO.

Prince,
Ignore the little drunk Irish moron. Can't even spell Pittsburgh right. That's the IQ level we're dealing with..Oy

Later,
Eye

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

Prince,
Ignore the little drunk Irish moron. Can't even spell Pittsburgh right. That's the IQ level we're dealing with..Oy

Later,
Eye

A sound piece of advice. Thank you.

I was reading a different thread about something big happening in October or September or Whatever. Maybe it will affect PIT in a positive way, and then I can take a break from these posts and return to the fun that is the PAWOB Award. I haven't done that in a while.

Incidentally, PIT Express hasn't had any MBR issues for two days running. That's unusually cool.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Two airlines announce Pittsburgh expansion

http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?n...78569&rfi=6

Just another market alienated by US Airways and handed over to a competitor on a silver platter

Just a small quote here:

Because of the demand, Warneck said Myrtle Beach Direct will now fly year-round between Pittsburgh and Myrtle Beach instead of seasonally, and it will add twice-weekly service between here and St. Petersburg/Clearwater International Airport in Florida on Dec. 20.

 

[leprechaun]

I'm not drunk, yet. Just tired of the bring back PIT fantasy. Your not even the biggets city in PA.

Face under the bag.

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

Two airlines announce Pittsburgh expansion

http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?n...78569&rfi=6

Just another market alienated by US Airways and handed over to a competitor on a silver platter

Just a small quote here:

Because of the demand, Warneck said Myrtle Beach Direct will now fly year-round between Pittsburgh and Myrtle Beach instead of seasonally, and it will add twice-weekly service between here and St. Petersburg/Clearwater International Airport in Florida on Dec. 20.

The St. Pete news was on the local news last night, but the websites I checked didn't list the PIT information. Thanks for the link.

More missed opportunities...(sigh).

I wish DoUgIe would cough up hard data to prove his PIT unprofitability statements.