Michigan Right to Work

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Exactly. You have to wonder when the people serving coffee on-board on an airplane are paid more than some of the engineers who designed the plane, something is wrong and that is not the marketplace at work. Right to work is fair, it doesn't bar people from joining a union nor does it directly weaken or challenge unions, it simply removes union membership as a condition of employment and requires the union to prove it is worthwhile to the workers rather than receive automatic support. Unions are on their way out, young people are uninterested in joining unions when they see how destructive they have become. Hopefully we will one day see a national right to work law to level the playing field for all states and end the injustices of compulsory union membership.

Josh

Go TRY and sell that HORSE SH!T to the 10,000 guys that brought the Port of Los Angeles and Long Beach to it KNEES for 10 days !

 

[Ms Tree]

MS Tree, the market place is what will look out for the workers, a thriving competitive free market place where we are all free to chose where to work and at what wage is what protects us not artificial things like unions or government. They obviously make things worse, people really have to stop looking for some magical savior.

That's funny. The market place as is designed to pay as little as possible for a product. The market place is what has shipped joobs over seas. When you have an excess of supply (labor) as we do now, your market places would have the floor drop out in regards to wages. There will always be someone able/willing to do it for a little less. When we get to a position where labor is in shorter supply and prices increase, companies that have the ability will ship their labor out of the US market to locations where labor is cheaper. Those companies will then be able to sell their products at a lower price than competitors who have to produce things in the US with higher labor and force them out of business. How many US manufactures are there of electronic goods?

Your free market is what gave us sweat shops, child labor and a host of other money saving ideas. Unions are not the answer (at least not in their current form) but to say the free market will fix it and watch oout for the worker is about as smart as putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

 

[Ms Tree]

Exactly. You have to wonder when the people serving coffee on-board on an airplane are paid more than some of the engineers who designed the plane, something is wrong and that is not the marketplace at work. Right to work is fair, it doesn't bar people from joining a union nor does it directly weaken or challenge unions, it simply removes union membership as a condition of employment and requires the union to prove it is worthwhile to the workers rather than receive automatic support. Unions are on their way out, young people are uninterested in joining unions when they see how destructive they have become. Hopefully we will one day see a national right to work law to level the playing field for all states and end the injustices of compulsory union membership.

Josh

I do not think that is true either. I work in TX (right to work) I got canned from AA because I pissed off the wrong people and had no one to protect me. As someone stated earlier, a company in TX can fire you for no reason at all,the only caveat is that they cannot violate your civil rights. According to three lawyers I spoke with said even that is fair game as it is very difficult to prove. According to my manager and several oothers I got screwed but it ended up workout better for me in the long run.


As for weakening unions, I do not see how it cannot. Were I to go to a company that has a union and be given the option to not join the union but still be able to take advantage of wages and other work rules that they negotiate, why on earth would I waste money on dues?


Yes unions are on their way out. What happens then? Who will hold the companies accountable if the employees are unable to?

 

[delldude]

Another union PR campaign winning the hearts and minds of the 93%:

They’re aren’t many people who can stand the sound of a crying baby (it’s probably why baby’s were created that way — if so many could ignore it, the baby’s cry would be pointless). And the local IBEW union in Philadelphia is using that to its advantage to stage a protest at local apartment complex. But the tactic may now be backfiring, as the union’s choice to blast a crying baby over loud speakers outside the residence for seven hours a day is driving the inhabitants nuts.
“I know everybody says they’ve got their rights,” Jean Smith told WTXF-TV, “and that’s fine. But don’t we have rights too, that we have to hear this constantly — every day?”

But resident David Dickson captures what seems to be the sentiment of the residents: “The crying of the baby- it doesn’t give them no sympathy. It’s not helping them.”
“They don’t seem to care,” another woman added, explaining that residents approached the union nicely about the soundtrack but workers ignored their pleas.

 

[delldude]

Yes unions are on their way out. What happens then? Who will hold the companies accountable if the employees are unable to?

How about legislation to give workers basic rights?

 

[UPNAWAY]

The free market is our only hope and it is sad testiment that most Americans are uneductaed and so missinformed on matters of economics and liberty they cannot concieve of the power of freedom.

 

[Kev3188]

The free market is our only hope...

Have fun "going Galt," or whatever it is that you're into...

 

[Ms Tree]

The free market is our only hope and it is sad testiment that most Americans are uneductaed and so missinformed on matters of economics and liberty they cannot concieve of the power of freedom.

Please explain sweat shops, child labor, low pay, and all the other failings of the era prior to organized labor.

Try opening a history book once in your life. History is not mailable. It is not what you want it to be.

 

[muff daddy]

Please explain sweat shops, child labor, low pay, and all the other failings of the era prior to organized labor.

Try opening a history book once in your life. History is not mailable. It is not what you want it to be.

Is that why Michele Obama is on record stating the we have to rewrite history?

 

[Dog Wonder]

The free market is our only hope and it is sad testiment that most Americans are uneductaed and so missinformed on matters of economics and liberty they cannot concieve of the power of freedom.

Does being eductaed include writing coherently?

 

[Ms Tree]

Is that why Michele Obama is on record stating the we have to rewrite history?

Really now? That's what you are going to go with? Is this like Romney saying he likes to fire people? Come on now. Let's try not to distort the intent of what people say. If you do not have a legitimate response I get it, but at least be hoonest about it.

If you want to talk about re-writing history, look at the TX school board and what they did to the school books a few years back. That is re-writing history.

 

[Ms Tree]

The free market is our only hope and it is sad testiment that most Americans are uneductaed and so missinformed on matters of economics and liberty they cannot concieve of the power of freedom.

Irony

 

[muff daddy]

Really now? That's what you are going to go with? Is this like Romney saying he likes to fire people? Come on now. Let's try not to distort the intent of what people say. If you do not have a legitimate response I get it, but at least be hoonest about it.

If you want to talk about re-writing history, look at the TX school board and what they did to the school books a few years back. That is re-writing history.

Define a few years back, specifically.

 

[Ms Tree]

Geez. Do you need help wiping your back side also? Look stuff up. It's not that hard.

Texas

 

[muff daddy]

Try opening a history book once in your life. History is not mailable. It is not what you want it to be.

Thread is about RTW..........you brought up history.