Michigan Right to Work

[southwind]

E was talking about Michigan, which is 20%.

Soon, to be less !

MS Tree, the market place is what will look out for the workers, a thriving competitive free market place where we are all free to chose where to work and at what wage is what protects us not artificial things like unions or government. They obviously make things worse, people really have to stop looking for some magical savior.

Apparently, you haven't heard of Barrack Hussien Obama !

Go TRY and sell that HORSE SH!T to the 10,000 guys that brought the Port of Los Angeles and Long Beach to it KNEES for 10 days !

RTW states 22.................Unions 1

Have fun "going Galt," or whatever it is that you're into...

Everyone's not into wearing union blinders..............sorry ! Hey, can't you be fired for not paying your union dues ?

 

[Ms Tree]

Thread is about RTW..........you brought up history.

Read the previous posts. He said that the free market would fix everything. History says he is wrong. What makes you think the future will be different?

 

[700UW]

The misleading framing of ‘right-to-work’


http://www.washingto...-right-to-work/

Michigan becomes the latest right-to-earn-less state

Our view: If the assault on middle-class wages and benefits could happen in the cradle of unionism, it could happen anywhere

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-unions-20121212,0,5460251.story

 

[signals]

Also, unions are only pissed about this law because new employees are not "FORCED" to join their ranks and can "CHOOSE" whether or not to join them !

BUT
are they being given all the facts? What is the payrate? Benefits? Job Title requirements? Job Security?

In other words, are they actually doing their homework about the LONG RUN OUTCOME?

or

Hey you're saving on union dues and making a little more money, but in a couple of years we will terminate you for your loyalty by finding some dumbass rule that wasn't enforced in the past 100 years???

 

[signals]

If it's "the unions" that are so mad, how do you explain the fact that those protesting are rank and file workers?

The best is yet to come because management in certain industries are starting and forming unions, because unlike those that get billions if terminated, most collect unemployment and are fired because the owner wants his good for nothing nephew to do their easy job!!!

 

[signals]

So then the teachers are responsible for the village idiot?

Perhaps one-third responsible. Parents one-third. Peers one-third.

All is null and void if it is genetics then it is 100% Parents.

 

[signals]

It is tough to do homework with them when you have to go to your second or third job to make ends meet. Welcome to the new "middle class".

No offense but that sounds like child support.

 

[signals]

No matter what your views are the opening of this video by the actions of the Union Supporters largely explains why 90 plus percent of the population doesn't work union. It also accounts for the anti union sentiment and subsequent backlash.

Initiation of force is always wrong.

So you buy into media propaganda too?

 

[signals]

No. Unfortunately, the whole idea of busting unions as a means to defund the Democratic Party is not news.

My only "surprise" is that some people are surprised at the worker uprising(s) we've been seeing. What'd they expect?

I don't agree because major unions have endorsed Republican candidates at one time or another. There is a strong movement to ELIMINATE unions. This is corporate's plan to divide and conquer the workforce and we are playing into their hands. The public opinion is based on media propaganda that can be altered to suit the ratings outcome.

My SURPRISE is that the one in a million incident was overblown to 1000X but everyone bought it!

 

[Kev3188]

Everyone's not into wearing union blinders..............sorry ! Hey, can't you be fired for not paying your union dues ?

What blinders? My eyes are wiiiiide open.

Hey, can't you be terminated by our employer "at any time, for any reason?" Of course you can.

Hey you're saving on union dues and making a little more money, but in a couple of years we will terminate you for your loyalty by finding some dumbass rule that wasn't enforced in the past 100 years???

Math isn't his strong suit.

Here's a very simple example:

I paid $46/mo. in dues at NW. By doing so, I was saving over $100/mo. in medical compared to non-contract employees who had the exact same plan.

 

[delldude]

Latest from the recent PR campaign to gain union support among the 93%:

‘Union Thugs’ Destroy Hot Dog Stand of Alleged Romney Supporter During Protest and Taunt Him With Racial Slurs

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/union-thugs-destroy-hot-dog-stand-of-alleged-romney-supporter-in-lansing-and-taunt-him-with-racial-slurs/

 

[southwind]

What blinders? My eyes are wiiiiide open.
Hey, can't you be terminated by our employer "at any time, for any reason?" Of course you can.

Exactly my point. That unions are no better than the company's they infiltrate !

 

[delldude]

What blinders? My eyes are wiiiiide open.

Hey, can't you be terminated by our employer "at any time, for any reason?" Of course you can.

If you give them good cause.....but if you do your job?

 

[SparrowHawk]

There is an interesting point often overlooked in this glass warfare/envy society.

Who is the easiest person to fire in a Publically traded company?

The CEO and Senior staff are. One vote one call from the board of Directors and Zip gone out you go. The mail clerk at least gets a change to their case and union workers have a little more protection.

Despite all of the union chest thumping, the company in question must be profitable in order to ensure job security for ALL workers.

 

[SparrowHawk]

"At Will" means just that. truth is the boss can walk up to you and say "Jesus Christ that's an ugly necktie, you're fired" and there is precious little you can do.