Merger Relief for American Airlines: April 24, 2012

[eolesen]

If being confronted w/ this reality incites some to push red and green buttons in a childish belief that they can strike back at the message, then I will be happy to come along and serve a repeat dose of reality at the requisite necessary intervals.

Yeah, it's sort of like the "Vote No!" crowd, isn't it?

Trust me, they're not striking out at the message. They're striking out at the messenger.

 

[signals]

FWIW, I nor most others here despise Delta at all. However, we do get sick of listening to this bafoon blowing Delta's horn 24/7 when he claims to have no affiliation with them. I along with most others find this to be a bit absurd, and believe that he has some sort of an agenda given his dedication to this subject.

Yes, I along with most have butted heads with WT over his Delta fanatisism. But if you cancel out the Delta chatter, you might find that WT is more knowledgeable about the industry as a whole. He's actually live it and seen it, IMO.

Those who have lived it and seen many scenarios might know the outcome because they know the variables. Me? I've just seen Merger-Wolf way too many times

 

[diamondcutter]

I don't have any doubt that DL will be fine... but this thread is not about DL. It is about US' attempts to takeover AA. Despite all the noise that was made by Parker and US touting how good it would be, there is no evidence that the people who actually control AA's future buy it.
Which means that the BK process for AA will continue just as it did for every other network carrier.
If someone comes up w/ a deal better than what AA is proposing, then the creditors will certainly hear it at the appropriate time.
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If being confronted w/ this reality incites some to push red and green buttons in a childish belief that they can strike back at the message, then I will be happy to come along and serve a repeat dose of reality at the requisite necessary intervals.

So you know what AA will do . Please tell us the winning powe ball #'s . Name a meger that had all 3 LARGE. Unions on board . Consolidation is good for the industry and you know it. Why do u protest so much ? Why do you care if we merge ? Must be hitting a nerve .

 

[wings396]

Oh, I'm sure he has, but so have many others on here myself included. Just because we don't all make a short story out of our posts, doesn't mean that we don't know the industry.

 

[Black Magic]

I don't have any doubt that DL will be fine... but this thread is not about DL. It is about US' attempts to takeover AA. Despite all the noise that was made by Parker and US touting how good it would be, there is no evidence that the people who actually control AA's future buy it.
Which means that the BK process for AA will continue just as it did for every other network carrier.
If someone comes up w/ a deal better than what AA is proposing, then the creditors will certainly hear it at the appropriate time.
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If being confronted w/ this reality incites some to push red and green buttons in a childish belief that they can strike back at the message, then I will be happy to come along and serve a repeat dose of reality at the requisite necessary intervals.

Yes..all your nauseating posts about the so-called "truth and facts." This coming from a guy claiming that a DL/AA merger is foreseeable. Right..goodluck with that getting approved. Your words have no merit with me.

 

[eolesen]

If being confronted w/ this reality incites some to push red and green buttons in a childish belief that they can strike back at the message, then I will be happy to come along and serve a repeat dose of reality at the requisite necessary intervals.

My guess is you really are worried, WT.

In the hour or so you've been posting replies this afternoon, your ranking score has climbed.

Not just by one or two, but by almost 20.

14:49:27 PM ~  3
15:41:27 PM ~  5
15:59:21 PM ~  4
16:21:20 PM ~  14
16:23:22 PM ~  18
16:25:21 PM ~  22

Funny how an approval can jump up so quickly Just how many people were browsing your posts in that quick 20 minute timeframe?....

 

[signals]

My guess is you really are worried, WT.

In the hour or so you've been posting replies this afternoon, your ranking score has climbed.

Not just by one or two, but by almost 20.

14:49:27 PM ~  3
15:41:27 PM ~  5
15:59:21 PM ~  4
16:21:20 PM ~  14
16:23:22 PM ~  18
16:25:21 PM ~  22

Funny how an approval can jump up so quickly Just how many people were browsing your posts in that quick 20 minute timeframe?....

Oh for crying out loud. This isn't a popularity contest! Another Maple Street experiment in the works!

Switch on -Switch off

 

[WorldTraveler]

It is incomprehensible to think that ANYONE could believe 6 months after AMR's BK filing that I have supported anything other than that AA would emerge as a standalone entity - the position I had on day ONE.

Of course, I used the word IF to say that IF US tried to pursue a merger with AA, they would set off a bidding process in which the chances are very high that they would never win.
That's why DL and BA said they would be interested in bidding - to make it clear that they will outbid US - IF THEY NEED TO.

But since some people who can participate in an online forum can't understand the use of the conditional IF, I will reduce my statement to the emphatic:

I have every expectation that AA will emerge from BK as an independent company.

Where anyone could believe that statement has anything to do with Delta is beyond comprehension.


Signals,
It is truly breathtaking to read that someone who professes to be an airline industry analyst no longer has anything to contribute to the discussion but instead is reduced to tracking MINUTE BY MINUTE movement in ratings.

E,
you used to have something of value to add to this forum but you apparently have decided to give up contributing anything of value and instead reduce your participation to managing a popularity contest.


I have the utmost pity for you. I truly do.

And I'm not alone.

 

[700UW]

Unreal.

DL and AA would never get past the DOJ and BA would be limited to the 25% cap.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Unreal.

DL and AA would never get past the DOJ and BA would be limited to the 25% cap.

DL would get all it would want - S/L America and Caribbean plus more slots in NYC/DCA. Doesn't really matter, though - DL told Goldman Sachs that it is "unlikely" that they'll make an offer for AA and didn't need GS' assistance any longer.

BA (officially IAG) would probably only need to offer AA revenue guarantees from the ATI JV. That would pump up AA's revenue forecasts and make their stand-alone plan look better.

The only other known party has kept mum - TPG. So there's no way to know at this point what their intentions are. They've got the money if they wanted to offer equity funding for a stand-alone plan, Horton and crew would probably keep their jobs (at least long enough to get their big payday) and AA could ponder buying US some time post-bankruptcy.

Jim

 

[WorldTraveler]

Unreal.

DL and AA would never get past the DOJ and BA would be limited to the 25% cap.

you too?

let me write ONE MORE TIME:

But since some people who can participate in an online forum can't understand the use of the conditional IF, I will reduce my statement to the emphatic:

I have every expectation that AA will emerge from BK as an independent company.

Where anyone could believe that statement has anything to do with Delta is beyond comprehension.

Or do you assume that because you can't see a way for anyone else to actually come up with a merger plan that US will be free to be the only bidder, regardless of whether it makes sense or not?

That thinking is unreal.

 

[eolesen]

It is truly breathtaking to read that someone who professes to be an airline industry analyst no longer has anything to contribute to the discussion but instead is reduced to tracking MINUTE BY MINUTE movement in ratings.

Nah, plenty of paid work to do these days. This didn't require any time aside from the minute or two it took to post a log file. Isn't it simply amazing the type of information you can pull off the internet when you know how to look for it?

you used to have something of value to add to this forum but you apparently have decided to give up contributing anything of value and instead try and participate in a popularity contest.

again, I'm not the one caught up in any popularity contests, Tim. I'm just good at following thru on a gut feeling I had weeks ago, and pointing out a trend that's crystal clear.

Since you're still on my ignore list, I have to click on a link to see your posts, and on the smartphone's small screen, half the time I wind up clicking on the link to the left goes to your profile.

I have the utmost pity for you.

And I'm not alone.

Thanks. Now I can finally get a good night's sleep.

And I'm sure you're not alone. Your popularity miraculously grows by ~20 votes a day when the limit on positive votes is 10 per day from what others have posted. Or maybe you have another account to vote yourself up. Doesn't matter. The trend is the trend, regardless of the cause.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Nah, plenty of paid work to do these days. This didn't require any time aside from the minute or two it took to post a log file. Isn't it simply amazing the type of information you can pull off the internet when you know how to look for it?



Nah, I'm not caught up in any popularity contests, Tim. I'm just good at following thru on a gut feeling I had weeks ago, and pointing out a trend that's crystal clear.




Thanks. Now I can finally get a good night's sleep.

And I'm sure you're not alone. Your popularity miraculously grows by ~20 votes a day when the limit on positive votes is 10 per day from what others have posted. Or maybe you have another account to vote yourself up. Doesn't matter. The trend is the trend, regardless of the cause.

thank you for confirming what I just wrote... you have NOTHING more to contribute of substance.

I do hope you sleep well and when you wake up, you'll decide you do have something substantive to contribute instead of worrying about whether you are more popular than someone else.

I can hope... but you have to act.

 

[eolesen]

I do hope you sleep well and when you wake up, you'll decide you do have something substantive to contribute instead of worrying about whether you are more popular than someone else.

As you can see, I'm a very busy person, Tim....

 

[wings396]

you too?

let me write ONE MORE TIME:

But since some people who can participate in an online forum can't understand the use of the conditional IF, I will reduce my statement to the emphatic:

I have every expectation that AA will emerge from BK as an independent company.

Where anyone could believe that statement has anything to do with Delta is beyond comprehension.

Or do you assume that because you can't see a way for anyone else to actually come up with a merger plan that US will be free to be the only bidder, regardless of whether it makes sense or not?

That thinking is unreal.

And dare I ask why you feel its best for AA to emerge as a standalone? What horse do you have in the race?
What the hell do you even care what AA does, or doesn't do?
Other than a company that puts food on my table, I could care less about any other that has no affect on my career. You care so friggen much, that it borders absurd.
It's no secret that you eat, sleep, and poop Delta Airlines, and a combined AA/US poses a threat to them. A blind man could see thru your agenda. Keep clicking your heels, and say this won't happen, it can't happen.
Your really starting, or should I say continuing to make a fool of yourself already. Your fending off incoming missiles from all sides....