Mechanics vote

[insp89]

The snap back is heading to third step, and I do not know the status of the transition negotiations, I will check into that for you.

Thanks 700.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The snap back is heading to third step, and I do not know the status of the transition negotiations, I will check into that for you.

Is this "transition agreement" the discussions you were referring to?? The ones about a pension and HP's in house maintenance??

 

[700UW]

The transition negotiations are to bring the HP AMTs under the IAM CBA, try to improve our pensions, bring HP's checks in-house and a few other things.

Seems Frieberger wants to keep everyone in the dark, which I don't agree with.

I suspect things are going very slowy until the NMB rules.

 

[BrutallyHonest]

Seems Frieberger wants to keep everyone in the dark, which I don't agree with.

And you wonder why people want to get rid of the iam.

 

[calibrator]

Seems Frieberger wants to keep everyone in the dark, which I don't agree with.

That man is the IAM's weak link and needs to be removed ASAP as he has done nothing except make people mad and has accomplished zero.

 

[700UW]

It is easier to get rid of one man then it is the whole organization.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The transition negotiations are to bring the HP AMTs under the IAM CBA, try to improve our pensions, bring HP's checks in-house and a few other things.

Seems Frieberger wants to keep everyone in the dark, which I don't agree with.

I suspect things are going very slowy until the NMB rules.

I would suspect that things are going very slowly because there hasn't been a final determination of representation, as you stated.

You're trying to improve your pensions: do you have a company matched 401K or only the IAM pension?

And I guess this question will continue to come up: why isn't the IBT negotiating committee members attending the "transition agreement" negotiations?

We are ONE company now. Granted, there are different unions in various work groups but when it comes right down to it, we are ONE company and should not keep each other, as employees, in the dark. It's bad enough that there are certain people that want the employees/unions members in the dark, but fellow employees doing the same?? IMO, it doesn't show good faith between fellow employees.

 

[calibrator]

It is easier to get rid of one man then it is the whole organization.

Yes, you're right and we agree. I am surprised and pleased you acknowledge what I have been saying for some time about Mr. Frieberger. The last thing the IAM needs is bad PR due to personalities, it's just not necessary when so many others are able and willing to take up the task.

I wonder what kind of pension plans the unions wanting to replace the IAM have to offer, any? That is the thing about the IAM I can’t possibly complain about. Working for only 15 years and getting retirement for life is something most unions can’t and don’t accomplish, FACT.

Remember people time is NOT on your side especially when your wages are hacked to minces, where is that savings money going to come from, what are your dues going to accomplish from the union you feed?


Whatever you do, wherever you are, turn around and see where you have been before going any further forward to keep from leaning left or right into a never ending circle.

 

[delldude]

You're trying to improve your pensions: do you have a company matched 401K or only the IAM pension?

hey a/w ,how the heck can one improve on a pension that was already sold down the pike to YOUR government and paid to me by YOUR tax dollars?? PBGC ring a dud bell?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

hey a/w ,how the heck can one improve on a pension that was already sold down the pike to YOUR government and paid to me by YOUR tax dollars?? PBGC ring a dud bell?

Don't know......that's what 700 said in an earlier post. Maybe he will/can answer. <_<

 

[delldude]

IBT has NOT allowed any additional outsourcing since the contract was ratified in October 1998. And that's a FACT that you are not understanding.

since their arrival they haven't made any real gains in this area.......why??
glass is here it'll go the other way now.

And no, HP was not in Chapter 11 twice in less than 2 years. The merger brought US Airways OUT of bankruptcy.

the only thing that has kept you guys out of the junk yard were the atsb loan and the merger with us airways.....even dougie said without the merger you'd be in the tank....face reality...
TWO LOSER AIRLINES PASSING IN THE NIGHT

 

[AIRWOMAN]

since their arrival they haven't made any real gains in this area.......why??
glass is here it'll go the other way now.


the only thing that has kept you guys out of the junk yard were the atsb loan and the merger with us airways.....even dougie said without the merger you'd be in the tank....face reality...
TWO LOSER AIRLINES PASSING IN THE NIGHT

Dell....you kind of took this out of context. But that's OK. Yes, the reality is that neither of the airlines would've been/might've been around without the loans and the merger. No one, including myself, is disputing that.

I cannot answer the in house maintenance question regarding why real gains haven't been made. I would assume that it's not much different than the IAM contracts allowing additional outsourcing. The industry is in the toilet again and it's all a matter of survival......for everyone, not just us.

 

[delldude]

Dell....you kind of took this out of context. But that's OK. Yes, the reality is that neither of the airlines would've been/might've been around without the loans and the merger. No one, including myself, is disputing that.

I cannot answer the in house maintenance question regarding why real gains haven't been made. I would assume that it's not much different than the IAM contracts allowing additional outsourcing. The industry is in the toilet again and it's all a matter of survival......for everyone, not just us.

a matter of time.........

 

[AIRWOMAN]

I would suspect that things are going very slowly because there hasn't been a final determination of representation, as you stated.

You're trying to improve your pensions: do you have a company matched 401K or only the IAM pension?

And I guess this question will continue to come up: why isn't the IBT negotiating committee members attending the "transition agreement" negotiations?

We are ONE company now. Granted, there are different unions in various work groups but when it comes right down to it, we are ONE company and should not keep each other, as employees, in the dark. It's bad enough that there are certain people that want the employees/unions members in the dark, but fellow employees doing the same?? IMO, it doesn't show good faith between fellow employees.

Can anyone answer this?? Information will be much appreciated.

 

[PhxRanchHand]

Mr. 700, what are these transition talks you speak of? are we (west) being set up, or colluded against by the company. If there has not been a determination by the NMB, then how can iam transition us into that contract, and if so do we get to vote on it. I have been reading on the IBT-CWA agreement and transition, it looks like they(again the west) will not have a vote for or against it. Is that what we can expect from the iam is to have representaiton without a right, or do they want our money only. East is not the only ones here in the new company i wish you( the general you) would stop acting like you are the only ones knowledgable enough to do anything. we know this management and we know how our contract came to be. We would appreciate it if you would stop making blanket statements about our"lack of bringing heavies back" this is our first negotiatins ( mis-spelled just for you)since our first contract and over half of our mechs were fired before the union was in place. How would US be if this happened to eat? but wait you have had thousands fired and furloughed with the IAM, don't remind us of the 2 BK's, still thousands out of work.