Mechanics vote

[PITbull]

I know I'm joining a little late in the game, but I attended my first ever Union meeting today. Since I'm going to be creeded into either the IAM or IBT I thought it a good idea to see at least one of three sides of the story (IBT, IAM, Company).

This is what I've come to understand. The IAM claims it's a done deal...IAM will rule the day. The company's opinion is the IAM will rule the day based on what they know about union issues, but haven't completely ruled out the IBT sucessfully forcing a vote. The company would like to see the IAM rule as they believe it will make for an easier transition and save the company a substancial amount of money. IBT believes it has enough signed cards to force a vote, but recognizes the NMB has the final ruling on calling for a vote. If the cards fall right (no pun intended)for the IBT a vote will be forced and they will be the surviving union. IAM's argument that even if a vote is forced the IAM contract is the surviving contract administered by the IBT. IBT argues precendent with other mergers has been made that will allow them to renogotiate the contract.

Personally I believe if the IBT prevails the company will work a deal with the IBT to keep the merger on track. The company wants the merger to succeed as cheaply as possible and is why they secretly hope the IAM prevails.

Take it for what it's worth, but to me it rings of truth.
Counter points/arguments welcome. Rocks and missles will be met with return fire

Eric,

I am not positive on how this works but if the IBT are in contract negotiations currently and the IAM is voted as the surviving union, I believe the IBT contract for the West employees is still an open issue and Managment will have to deal with the mechanics.

If the the mechanics vote in the IAM and the contract goes along with it, I think that the IAM may fail as the surviving union. If the only opportunity for improvements to the mechanics contract is through the IBT as they are in open negotiations, then I would be thinking IBT.

AFA has to ratify a transition agreement ( and there is no bankruptcy to hide behind). I don't believe that the West mechanics can just roll over into the East mechanic contract with open discussions for improvements going on with the IBT. I believe the East mehanics and ramp will support the West mechanics for a better agreement than what U stole in bankruptcy from the mechanics and related on the East.

I hope they give management grief until there are improvements toward a new contract for all.

 

[AIRCRAFTMECHANIC]

AS you say (....Ibt I dont even know you.) I DO and trust them!
I also know AWA..AKA the NEW USAIR (LCC) as you said (they(IAM) should be given a chance to improve our contract when thing get better,) IN 2009! (I know DP and the boys)Long time to wait..
The VOTE will come and we will all be ONE IBT OR IAM(Right now we need to all stick together and listen)Some of us fight for what we want (..your kicking..)If IT takes it I will YELL for what I want to keep not just vote yes..(Yes I voted yes all three times. because I need my job)ITS OK it was your vote your right. Just as it is MINE to want the IBT and NOT the IAM...HAVE A NICE NIGHT..

I understand...your a awa mechanic...great!
I see and understand your solidarity to your union...thats a good thing.Whatever happens i hope the best for you and all your coworkers and for my coworkers...together we will
make this company a great place to call our own.I didnt realize that you were a awa mechanic...and i totally understand and repect you and your coworkers...i have been with usair since 1984 and have been layed of for 5 years in 95, i have been forced to move and have taken a huge paycut, because of the economy and not because of the union.so dont expect me to agree with fencing so we cant bump a less senior mechanic in vegas or phoneix.we all came from piedmont or psa or usair and further back lake central or mohawk.. senority rules period...ive been layed of because of it and no the ibt isnt going to protect you and make it so a less senior mechanic is on the street while you all are working..we have mechanics on the street with 16 years senority and the ibt isnt going to protect just awa mechanics....another reason vote IAM... i totaly understand your alliegence to awa and to ibt
hope the best for you and yours....vote I.A.M....

 

[awausairtech]

(senority rules) ... WELL WELCOME TO THE AIRLINES.. I HAVE 28YRS as A/P ITS JUST A PART OF THE AIRLINE WORLD. LOL WHAT DO YOU EAST BOYS THINK WE ALL STARTED WORKING LAST WEEK..LOL

 

[smmech]

I understand...your a awa mechanic...great!
I see and understand your solidarity to your union...thats a good thing.Whatever happens i hope the best for you and all your coworkers and for my coworkers...together we will
make this company a great place to call our own.I didnt realize that you were a awa mechanic...and i totally understand and repect you and your coworkers...i have been with usair since 1984 and have been layed of for 5 years in 95, i have been forced to move and have taken a huge paycut, because of the economy and not because of the union.so dont expect me to agree with fencing so we cant bump a less senior mechanic in vegas or phoneix.we all came from piedmont or psa or usair and further back lake central or mohawk.. senority rules period...ive been layed of because of it and no the ibt isnt going to protect you and make it so a less senior mechanic is on the street while you all are working..we have mechanics on the street with 16 years senority and the ibt isnt going to protect just awa mechanics....another reason vote IAM... i totaly understand your alliegence to awa and to ibt
hope the best for you and yours....vote I.A.M....

Senority does matter and for myself backing the IBT I stand to loose alot. Senority if you vote IBT will be DOH period.. So IBT wins and US calls back 400 techs then down the line lay off... well I'm gone.
My point has allways been that atleast the IBT wants to better things for us and has put it in writing that they will fight for better pay, benifits...etc... The IAM has said they cannot and will not..

The time is now, not to wait for a better time. There's $2.5 billion to have, the CSR's got some we need ours. This Airline will not fail because of our groups pay package. Airtran, Jetblu, Southwest, Continential, AA, UAL, ohh wait ... ALL AIRLINE MECHANICS MAKE MORE THEN WE DO. Most much more and they are not all failing.

Vote the IBT and let them tell the company to find out where to get the money.. Let them help us orginize and detirmine our own fate, not be confused.

 

[awausairtech]

smmech and if you get that lay off... We will fight to get that work back in house and you...From a IBT Brother.
We got all of them back from 1995..

 

[smmech]

smmech and if you get that lay off... We will fight to get that work back in house and you...From a IBT Brother.
We got all of them back from 1995..

Thanks brother and I know were talkin if's... But the IBT has a histroy of fighting for this and that is why I am not as worried. The IBT fights...The dont coinceed like the IAM has..

 

[EricLv2Fish]

Eric,

If the the mechanics vote in the IAM and the contract goes along with it, I think that the IAM may fail as the surviving union. If the only opportunity for improvements to the mechanics contract is through the IBT as they are in open negotiations, then I would be thinking IBT.

Pitbull, this may be the first time we ever agreed on anything. If the IAM wins we will be stuck with a contract force fed by bankruptcy. This is why the company would prefer the IAM to prevail. If the IBT wins there are possibilities. Alot will depend on how the NMB rules on several key issues if the IBT even has a chance.

 

[Snafu]

All is pretty quite on the eastern front........where's 700???? :huh: :unsure:

 

[awausairtech]

Good morning Snafu lots of fire last night LOL..

 

[Snafu]

Good morning Snafu lots of fire last night LOL..

Good morning. But it looks as if the fire has petered out. What's up with that?

Maybe the truth is finally coming out. At least there is information from one side and NOT the other. :huh:

 

[delldude]

NMB ruling due out soon...then its all going to be moot...except for a lot of waa waa...

from the front lines of the western empire:

NMB Campaign in Full Court Press

 

[allunionsdeceive]

NMB ruling due out soon...then its all going to be moot...except for a lot of waa waa...

from the front lines of the western empire:

NMB Campaign in Full Court Press

How do you know. Did the NMB come out and say something?????

 

[awausairtech]

THE CARDS DELL THE CARDS..... LOLOLOLOLOL.
MORE AND MORE EACH DAY!!!!!

 

[Snafu]

How do you know. Did the NMB come out and say something?????

If you read the article, it's just one more step towards a single carrier status being granted by the NMB. And no, nothing official from the NMB......I would imagine that they are still in the fact finding mode since there was an objection filed to the IAM's request.

 

[allunionsdeceive]

If you read the article, it's just one more step towards a single carrier status being granted by the NMB. And no, nothing official from the NMB......I would imagine that they are still in the fact finding mode since there was an objection filed to the IAM's request.

Didn't the IBT file something. Has the NMB ever give a single carrier status to a company operating under to flt ops spec.