awausairtech
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89....i walked the line in '92.....i wasn't skeert then and i wasn't skeert during the last go arounds.....
looking back,i must reflect.....
i was involved at the highest level then and fondly remember the phone in the union office ringing off the hook,people coming in droves because they never thought the strike vote would pass.(why then did they vote that way?)they were crapping themselves.they were calling corporate in masses too,telling them they wanted to change their votes.....so tell me guy,who's at fault??wasn't you or me....
the union represents the majority interest and if the membership craps themselves and wants another vote,guess what?
MAJORITY RULES
i'm sorry but i get fed up with this blame the union mentality.....you're right 89...blame the union...the body of the union.
have a nice day.
Dell, You know well as I do, If the Union leadership WANTED the NO vote, EVERY member could of called up the union office, They would of NOT voted the second time.
Did you keep a record of everyone that wanted to change their vote ? How did you know [at that time] the MAJORITY INTEREST called up ??
so we go with the strike vote/rejection....ch 7 comes...and now the spineless want retribution....so they sue IAM for misrepresentation....thats why.
the spineless won that day like it or not.
like i keep saying,can't you tell they learned their lesson from that by the recent strike vote last year??
the spineless won that day like it or not.
like i keep saying,can't you tell they learned their lesson from that by the recent strike vote last year??
NMB rules single carrierWhat Will The NEWS be TODAY??????
AS The IAM sweats....
awausairtech
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There is more than one way to skin a cat!!??????????
OLD DOGS CAN BE TAUGHT A NEW TRICKS.
OLD DOGS CAN BE TAUGHT A NEW TRICKS.
so we go with the strike vote/rejection....ch 7 comes...and now the spineless want retribution....so they sue IAM for misrepresentation....thats why.
the spineless won that day like it or not.
like i keep saying,can't you tell they learned their lesson from that by the recent strike vote last year??
NMB rules single carrier
So Dell, It's a fore gone conclusion, Chapter 7 would of happened, no question, Right ?
Just what chance would the "spineless" have sueing the IAM ?
The MAJORITY voted NO !!
Yeah, the spineless won alright, With the help of you know who...
7 at that time most likely.....
class action happens all the time...it was discussed then.
bill was concerned....like messing his pants too.
awausairtech
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DELL what do the cards say View attachment 3927
The Airbus ordeal is where the IAM lost all it's credibility, how many times did we hear from the INTERNATIONAL if they farm out the Airbus work we will strike!! How many shirts and signs said hey Dave the Airbus stops here! When it came crunch time and the Airbus work left the INTERNATIONAL sang a different tune! The INTERNATIONAL knew they would never strike over the issue! When the IAM didn't take a stand then the co knew they could do whatever they wanted to with this group and those are the facts! But what should we expect from a union that allows it's members to perform struck work!
EricLv2Fish
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I know I'm joining a little late in the game, but I attended my first ever Union meeting today. Since I'm going to be creeded into either the IAM or IBT I thought it a good idea to see at least one of three sides of the story (IBT, IAM, Company).
This is what I've come to understand. The IAM claims it's a done deal...IAM will rule the day. The company's opinion is the IAM will rule the day based on what they know about union issues, but haven't completely ruled out the IBT sucessfully forcing a vote. The company would like to see the IAM rule as they believe it will make for an easier transition and save the company a substancial amount of money. IBT believes it has enough signed cards to force a vote, but recognizes the NMB has the final ruling on calling for a vote. If the cards fall right (no pun intended)for the IBT a vote will be forced and they will be the surviving union. IAM's argument that even if a vote is forced the IAM contract is the surviving contract administered by the IBT. IBT argues precendent with other mergers has been made that will allow them to renogotiate the contract.
Personally I believe if the IBT prevails the company will work a deal with the IBT to keep the merger on track. The company wants the merger to succeed as cheaply as possible and is why they secretly hope the IAM prevails.
Take it for what it's worth, but to me it rings of truth.
Counter points/arguments welcome. Rocks and missles will be met with return fire
This is what I've come to understand. The IAM claims it's a done deal...IAM will rule the day. The company's opinion is the IAM will rule the day based on what they know about union issues, but haven't completely ruled out the IBT sucessfully forcing a vote. The company would like to see the IAM rule as they believe it will make for an easier transition and save the company a substancial amount of money. IBT believes it has enough signed cards to force a vote, but recognizes the NMB has the final ruling on calling for a vote. If the cards fall right (no pun intended)for the IBT a vote will be forced and they will be the surviving union. IAM's argument that even if a vote is forced the IAM contract is the surviving contract administered by the IBT. IBT argues precendent with other mergers has been made that will allow them to renogotiate the contract.
Personally I believe if the IBT prevails the company will work a deal with the IBT to keep the merger on track. The company wants the merger to succeed as cheaply as possible and is why they secretly hope the IAM prevails.
Take it for what it's worth, but to me it rings of truth.
Counter points/arguments welcome. Rocks and missles will be met with return fire
you guys have no feel for the apathy on the east side and how a vote will run it to the very edge of possible decertification and no union representation.west doesn't have the numbers without huge east help and there are all to many who just don't care to participate.
oh i can tell you IBT will get votes from the east but theres also enough of the others that reaching the 50%+1 may be a bridge too far.
oh i can tell you IBT will get votes from the east but theres also enough of the others that reaching the 50%+1 may be a bridge too far.
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An IBT-IAM vote is a menage a trois. The third participant is a really ugly one called no representation.
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you guys have no feel for the apathy on the east side and how a vote will run it to the very edge of possible decertification and no union representation.west doesn't have the numbers without huge east help and there are all to many who just don't care to participate.
oh i can tell you IBT will get votes from the east but theres also enough of the others that reaching the 50%+1 may be a bridge too far.
Then maybe you guys on the east side should accept the fact that there will be a vote and start encouraging your members to show up and vote, everyone should have the choice to pick the union they feel best represents them.
I know the west side will show up in high numbers. but I do find it hard to beleive that not even 50% of the east siders wouldn't even show up and vote for thier future.
AIRCRAFTMECHANIC
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Im writing to ask you why you think the Iam is so terrible,Dont you think they were in a really bad position with all that was happening with 9/11 and the company position and it wasnt just our company but all airlines, why do you think your union brothers who make the same money we do and abide by the same senority list and pay the same health insurance would screw all of us. I think they all did the best they could , and i also think they should be given a chance to improve our contract when thing get better, which it seems that they are with the stock price at 37.00.I dont condem the Iam for doing all they could.Right now we need to all stick together and listen , not throw rocks at one another.You think the Ibt will do a better job? Look at there pensions for there current members they are all way underfunded and if they cant take care of there retirees then what makes you so sure they will take care of you and your family. At least we work with our committee men and our union stewards, at least the Iam pensions are funded at 120%.I personally trusted bill anmd ozzie and Tom regan and yes Tony G to do there best for me and my family. I am not a union rep or a steward just a member.But i could look into there eyes and know they were good men that wouldnt screw there union brothers for any reason and Im sick of guys like you who constantly degrade them and put them down like there corrupt and bad men.I dont know a soul who at the Ibt and there reps are all employed by the union..so why would our jobs be so important to them.There union dues are 8.50 more per month than the Iam...they have few leads and hardly any 1st shift line mechanics.Im not putting down the Ibt but Iam saying that our union the Iam did all they could for us and a second vote was they wanted to make sure that eveyone was sure of there position on the importants of the issues. At the time it could have ment the company filing ch 7...and some of didnt want to be unemployed even if it ment a cut.Yes I voted yes all three times. because i need my job and it isnt your buisness why i did just know it was fair and accept it and quit complaining.and this message is to all who find time to put down our union brothers, if you all took as much time to help one another than we would all be better off.I looked at the Ibt and even called them and had them send me info , but in the end I thought it was better to have a union that i knew and trusted ...its members and the agcs....do you honestly think Tommy r would sell out his union..have you ever talked to him? He is a fine man with a great deal of integrity...and i can assure you that ive met enough people in my life that im a good judge of character.Bill H is the same as was ozzi and Tom D...and Ive had at length discussion with Tony G and yes he is a rough talker but he is a pitt bull in the negoceations...so hes needed hes also good at union issues and knows the contract.Im no more of a union man than anyone , just a member.But im tired of the loud mouth so called few...who think they represent the whole union ....you dont...your all me included just one vote...
'Iam 'I support you....Ibt I dont even know you.
vote for the union that has 120 % pension funded even though were not part of it YET.At least you know they intend to take care of there old people, who put there entire lives in there career.This whole message is not just for you awausair tech but is for all who seem to blame
the IAM.There an old proverb....dont kick a man when hes down.....your kicking.........take care.
awausairtech
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AS you say (....Ibt I dont even know you.) I DO and trust them!
I also know AWA..AKA the NEW USAIR (LCC) as you said (they(IAM) should be given a chance to improve our contract when thing get better,) IN 2009! (I know DP and the boys)Long time to wait..
The VOTE will come and we will all be ONE IBT OR IAM(Right now we need to all stick together and listen)Some of us fight for what we want (..your kicking..)If IT takes it I will YELL for what I want to keep not just vote yes..(Yes I voted yes all three times. because I need my job)ITS OK it was your vote your right. Just as it is MINE to want the IBT and NOT the IAM...HAVE A NICE NIGHT..
I also know AWA..AKA the NEW USAIR (LCC) as you said (they(IAM) should be given a chance to improve our contract when thing get better,) IN 2009! (I know DP and the boys)Long time to wait..
The VOTE will come and we will all be ONE IBT OR IAM(Right now we need to all stick together and listen)Some of us fight for what we want (..your kicking..)If IT takes it I will YELL for what I want to keep not just vote yes..(Yes I voted yes all three times. because I need my job)ITS OK it was your vote your right. Just as it is MINE to want the IBT and NOT the IAM...HAVE A NICE NIGHT..
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