Mechanics vote

[PITbull]

You are exactly right on the money. The union wanted the revote and they made the call to have it. That move will ultimately come back to haunt the iam if there is a representation election. It will never be forgiven!! :angry:

Bhonest,

Actually, the second vote for the IAM was during concession #1 and at the time when the co. went into BK #1. The Company could have motioned to aborgate the contract way back in 2002 for a "failed" vote.

In the end, the IAM had their contract abrogated in concession #3, because the IAM did not come to a T/A that was good enough to present to the members. Why? Because within the Companies demands, Mechanics and related had major job elimination and outsourcing.

So, the judge abrogated the contact which left the company to either IMPOSE its new policies on the IAM. Or have the final offering brought out to the members to vote. If that final proposal would have failed, the IAM would have been left to STRIKE. If the IAM leadership did not bring it out, a strike would have ensued.

And if that would have happened, I would bet my bottom last buck that there would have been many IAM members want to lynch the IAM leadership for not bringing out a final proposal, and would have moved to decertify. And obviously, looking at the IAM vote on the co.'s final proposal, (it passed by majority) the members would have moved to decertify without a vote. I personally would have supported a strike at that time if the vote had failed. The IAM members should have struck the airline, IMO. Their contract was masacered and the members had every reason to strike.

Damned if you do; damned if you don't!

 

[insp89]

Come on insp, do you think they are sheep?

They have brains and can use them.

Why would a MAN vote one way and turn right around and vote the opposite ?

Why would his union ask him to ?

Sheep ? Not all, some...

 

[700UW]

The International made the decision on the revote, the district said no and they were over-ruled.

Remember Siegel sent everyone a letter with a full explanation and was going to hold his own vote or have the court abrogate.

 

[insp89]

Pitbull, A strike is exactly what should of happened ! The company was not in good enough shape to take a strike...If any union on the property had the guts to stand up. YES, we would of taken concessions, but not to the extent that was put on us...The company would of came back or the whole thing would of came down...Just think of all those low lifes on top that received bonuses and raises off of our backs...

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

I dont agree with the second vote, and it was not just a strike vote it was the ratification vote.

I saw some of the e-mails and was on the end of some of the phone calls to the local.

All I know is I voted no every single time.

Yeah right! I've heard that before! Why can't you just admit that you Voted Yes! Don't spew a bunch of B.S.!

 

[700UW]

I did not vote yes, I voted no on the concessions and yes to stike, I have more pride then that.

 

[PITbull]

Pitbull, A strike is exactly what should of happened ! The company was not in good enough shape to take a strike...If any union on the property had the guts to stand up. YES, we would of taken concessions, but not to the extent that was put on us...The company would of came back or the whole thing would of came down...Just think of all those low lifes on top that received bonuses and raises off of our backs...

Insp89,

I couldn't agree with you more. A strike was justified by the IAM members. However, I don't know if by majority, the IAM members would have participated in a walk out, even if it were for a few days. I believe the execs had too much at stake for their own pockets to fill, and I believe they would have sat back down with the IAM.

I know I would have done my damndest to get the f/as to support an IAM strike and be on those picket lines.

 

[700UW]

If the membership did not want to stike after the airbus was outsourced and US was in better financial shape they certainly would not have during the last concessions and their vote proved it.

You need 66 2/3% to call a strike and that was not obtained.

And I agree, if the membership would have voted it down we would have gotten a better deal, even the District President stated that but the PIT delegation was the weak link.

 

[delldude]

Beating a Dead Horse ?

The reason it passed the second time was due to the "I'm Skeert" campaign that was put on by the IAM..[Pathetic].

I guess that I should of picked up the phone and called someone, Maybe there could of been a third vote, [Best 2 out of 3.. :huh:

the reason was like 700 said.....many many voted for the strike,but never thought a strike vote would pass.....they crapped themselves with the reality of it all...phone calls to the local were off the wall....i was there....i know for a fact......the union did cave....dave said if they didn't have another vote,he'd do it on his own...thank your spineless members who have a family to look out for....not any sense of unionism......and you have the audacity to portray this idiotic crap.....
thank those spineless people you work with everyday...they're the ones you should spew your venom against.

 

[700UW]

Brutal I sent no e-mails and I was working the line during the first concessions.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you are going to accuse me of something you better have proof, because you are posting an absolute lie.

And yes Roach made the call after Siegel said he would hold his own vote.

 

[delldude]

so how did your spineless brethren vote on the strike issue last round??
CASE CLOSED

 

[insp89]

Insp89,

I couldn't agree with you more. A strike was justified by the IAM members. However, I don't know if by majority, the IAM members would have participated in a walk out, even if it were for a few days. I believe the execs had too much at stake for their own pockets to fill, and I believe they would have sat back down with the IAM.

I know I would have done my damndest to get the f/as to support an IAM strike and be on those picket lines.

Pitbull, Thank You,

I guess there are still a few "real" unionists left.

the reason was like 700 said.....many many voted for the strike,but never thought a strike vote would pass.....they crapped themselves with the reality of it all...phone calls to the local were off the wall....i was there....i know for a fact......the union did cave....dave said if they didn't have another vote,he'd do it on his own...thank your spineless members who have a family to look out for....not any sense of unionism......and you have the audacity to portray this idiotic crap.....
thank those spineless people you work with everyday...they're the ones you should spew your venom against.

audacity ? , venom ? , The only thing I'm "spewing" is the truth..It was NOT the membership that decided to re-vote !

 

[awausairtech]

DAM 700 you get the West and East all fired up at you LOL.
ps Mr-700 get your IBT CARD IN PLZ. lololololol

 

[Snafu]

DAM 700 you get the West and East all fired up at you LOL.
ps Mr-700 get your IBT CARD IN PLZ. lololololol

For sure dude, East and West fired up.

Is 700 a rep for the IAM? Seems like he's the ONLY one, that is absolutely and completly, 100% behind the IAM. That MUST be a union rep.

Hope that everyone has listened to Doug Parker. He's has said over and over again, that both the IAM contract and the IBT contract, are about the same cost to the company. So.......NOTHING is going to really change with either contract or any TA that MAY come about. Points may change but the $$$ will just be shifted around. The bottom dollar will remain the bottom dollar. It's nothing but a balancing act with the books. The company doesn't care if you have sick time paid fully or at a half rate. They don't what you trade for what........as long as their books balance out.......it makes no difference. It's all about the money. Look at what's going on in the other TA with the CSR's.........shifting around of the money.

Face it guys, it's going to be a tough road to come to a middle ground with management. But the employees are going to have to come together along with the unions and have some sort of solidarity between the employees. Use whatever union/contract/TA to YOUR best interest and stop the fighting amongst yourselves. Use the union as a guide and what little power they have left and not as a god. Face reality, the unions don't have the power they used to. The members have been weakened by the unions and each other. And a union is only as strong as it's members. Then throw in the power of bankruptcy. Not a pretty picture.

Best of luck.

 

[delldude]

Pitbull, Thank You,

I guess there are still a few "real" unionists left.
audacity ? , venom ? , The only thing I'm "spewing" is the truth..It was NOT the membership that decided to re-vote !

it wouldn't have happened without pressure from your membership.
remember these people have families and bills to pay....we can't have anything like a strike screwing up things.
like i said,how'd the spineless vote this last time regarding a strike vote????
think they learned their lesson on the second vote last time??
its so easy to blame frank,bill,robert and jim....try looking in the mirror once in a while!