Mechanics vote

[AIRWOMAN]

Gee, cant even eat dinner?

The Stock Clerks at US/East are under the same certification as mechanics and utility and under the same CBA, top out pay is $16.50 at east at west what is it like $10.00?

And you better get use to the IAM/CBA as you will fall under as soon as the NMB grants single carrier status.

And Airwoman there are precedent setting cases.

AMFA's win at NWA, WN and UAL the CBAs were not renegotiated until amendable dates per the RLA.

PSA being merged into US the ibt contract went bye bye and the mechanic and related were transitioned to the IAM/CBA at US.

Piedmont/US Airways Merger, both were IAM different CBAs, both groups placed under the US/IAM CBA.

PFAA ousting the ibt at NWA, PFAA serviced ibt CBA till it became amendable.

Go look them up on the and you see nothing but the facts.

Hope you had a nice dinner.

I have no idea about the pay for stock clerks so I cannot comment on that.

How does Mr. Hemenway know how the NMB will rule? How do you know that he knows that?

I understand about setting a precedent but that does not mean that things are set in stone. Precedences have been set over and over which has resulted in changes on top of changes. It's not an impossible feat. This new airline is constantly being called the NEW US AIRWAYS so let each and every employee embrace the new and rid ourselves of the old things that just don't work any more. I just wish that you would look for the better of the both contracts in a transition agreement. Isn't that what everyone wants??

Dinner time for me.........

 

[roadtrip]

HELP DELL THEY GOT ME ON THE ROPES. (LOL) CALLING THE IAM CALLING THE IAM HHHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPP..........

Very funny how true it is........

 

[700UW]

Main Entry: 2prec·e·dent Pronunciation: 'pre-s&-d&ntFunction: noun
1 : an earlier occurrence of something similar

2 a : something done or said that may serve as an example or rule to authorize or justify a subsequent act of the same or an analogous kind <a verdict that had no precedent>

b : the convention established by such a precedent or by long practice

3 : a person or thing that serves as a model

 

[awausairtech]

AMFA's win at NWA, WN and UAL the CBAs were not renegotiated until amendable dates per the RLA.
So mr-700 WHEN east votes in the IBT they will go into the NEW CONTRACT when they become Teamsters as our CBA is under renegotiations at this time.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Main Entry: 2prec·e·dent Pronunciation: 'pre-s&-d&ntFunction: noun
1 : an earlier occurrence of something similar

2 a : something done or said that may serve as an example or rule to authorize or justify a subsequent act of the same or an analogous kind <a verdict that had no precedent>

b : the convention established by such a precedent or by long practice

3 : a person or thing that serves as a model

Mandatory precedent, or binding authority, is a precedent under the doctrine of stare decisis that a lower court must consider when deciding a case. Mandatory precedent is usually created by appellate courts. Mandatory precedent is binding on lower courts. Lower court decisions, by definition, cannot be binding on higher courts, although appellate courts often adopt the legal reasoning of lower courts.

In a case of first impression there is no mandatory precedent.

In extraordinary circumstances, subsequent appellate courts may overturn or overrule mandatory precedent. However, courts go to great lengths to distinguish the current case--thereby limiting the scope of the precedent--rather than overturning the previous decision.

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Persuasive
Persuasive precedent or advisory precedent is cases which a court may use but is not required to follow in deciding its cases. In a case of first impression, courts often rely on persuasive precedent from courts in other jurisdictions that have previously dealt with similar issues.

An appellate court's adoption of persuasive precedent can make such precedent binding.


There are options. Dinner isn't quite ready.

 

[700UW]

Wrong, the IAM/US is the surviving CBA, guess you don't even read what the ibt puts out.

A change in representation does not change the CBA, it is US Airways now, not America West.

Why do you think the IAM filed single carrier status and the ibt did not?

Better go back and read your ibt web page and information.

Airwoman,

The NMB is not a court, it has to follow the RLA and its own representation manaul and its precedents must be followed.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

How does Mr. Hemenway know how the NMB will rule? How do you know that he knows that?

Questions brought from my other posts based on your previously posted statements. Please answer 700.

 

[700UW]

Mr Hemenway has dealt with labor relations and the NMB for numerous years, he knows all about precedents and how the NMB must rule based on the RLA and its own representation manual.

Why is he negotiating a transition agreement with the IAM then?

 

[awausairtech]

Is it soup yet..
AND MR-700 This is the NEW USAIR (LCC) Your IAM Contract Was with the OLD USAIR (USAIRQ). (THE NAME STAYS ONLY).

 

[700UW]

Wrong AWA,

Go even read your ibt web page.

No matter what happens the IAM/US CBA will be the contract everyone works under.

Don't let the facts get in your way now!

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Wrong AWA,

Go even read your ibt web page.

No matter what happens the IAM/US CBA will be the contract everyone works under.

Don't let the facts get in your way now!

Then please, someone with the facts, explain to everyone what a transition agreement is.

700, I still do not understand why you stand so firmly for the IAM contract that has taken so much away from the OLD US Airways groups. Can you please enlighten us on this? I am truly trying to understand why you are so intently focused on your current situation that doesn't appear to please many, if any, employees.......active or furloughed.

 

[BrutallyHonest]

Wrong AWA,

Go even read your ibt web page.

No matter what happens the IAM/US CBA will be the contract everyone works under.

So if hypothetically the ibt gets an election and wins, the same contract stays and in 2009 the ibt starts negotiating a new contract.

 

[700UW]

Correct Brutally.

Airwoman,

Because under the IAM CBA the A320 family and 50% of the 737s are all overhauled in-house, the stock clerks make $7 more an hour vs the ibt cba which lets HP outsource all heavy mtc.

That is enough for me.

 

[PhxRanchHand]

Correct Brutally.

Airwoman,

Because under the IAM CBA the A320 family and 50% of the 737s are all overhauled in-house, the stock clerks make $7 more an hour vs the ibt cba which lets HP outsource all heavy mtc.

That is enough for me.

that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Is the 7 bucks an hour and the o/h's good enough for those that lost jobs.....

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Correct Brutally.

Airwoman,

Because under the IAM CBA the A320 family and 50% of the 737s are all overhauled in-house, the stock clerks make $7 more an hour vs the ibt cba which lets HP outsource all heavy mtc.

That is enough for me.

OK. If that's how you feel.

But please explain what a transition agreement could do. Make things better for everyone??