Management Raises
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Harry Callahan
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Well, go ahead and start the list..usfliboi said:
PITbull
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Start thinking intelligently. Just as management states they need to retain folks to prevent an exodus, they are not treating labor the same way. Why?bluetoad said:
Why is it that labor is replaceable, but this mangement believes that their folks are irreplaceable that they have to throw more money at them to keep them?
My point, that you missed, is that if we follow management's logic that there are thousands of laid off workers that could come and take our places, THEN OBVIOUSLY THESE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF WORKERS WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE MANAGEMENTS POSITIONS.
Get it yet?
savyinvestor
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Pit, Some don't want to get it! Savy
Also, PITbull, not all of these furloughed employees have the skills necessary to jump to management. (And before you say it, yes, many of US's managers don't have the skills necessary to be in management, but the goal is supposed to be to improve things, not replace a dud with another dud.)
Granted, you may have the requisite skills, as do some others...maybe you'd have a better handle on how many FAs on furlough would have the requisite skills, since you seem to be rather close to them. Hey, why not get some of the better ones to apply for the PHL jobs?
Granted, you may have the requisite skills, as do some others...maybe you'd have a better handle on how many FAs on furlough would have the requisite skills, since you seem to be rather close to them. Hey, why not get some of the better ones to apply for the PHL jobs?
Well, if this management was worth paying more to retain, then I don't believe the company would be in the position its in now. Right now, the management is so inept, that the magic answer to everything is to outsource maintenance, and cut employees wages and benefits. This is suppose to make them worth paying more, for these temporary fixes to their problems.
As far as giving concessions, I look at like buying a car or house. I wouldn't buy something I didn't get to see first, but thats what Dave wants us to do, he hasn't showed us anything but he wants us to buy it. Sounds a lot like buying land in the everglades. It's probably going to be quicksand.
As far as giving concessions, I look at like buying a car or house. I wouldn't buy something I didn't get to see first, but thats what Dave wants us to do, he hasn't showed us anything but he wants us to buy it. Sounds a lot like buying land in the everglades. It's probably going to be quicksand.
Start thinking intelligently! Words to live by. Try it. Management isn't merely a handful of execs in the boardroom. It is the electrical engineer, the network analyst, the contract specialist, the web developer, the IT programmer, the graphic designer, the marketing analyst, the attorney, the HR specialist, the writer and on and on. They have most likely busted ass to get an advanced degree and more, incurred thousands in school debt, obtained experience in their field and have to continually learn, train and advance in their field. And work without a labor contract. Mgmt folks like this can be eliminated on a whim. Good performance or not. No seniority, or grievances or representation to stand behind.
Are you saying they should be compensated proportionately, in times of cuts or raises as the guy thats only learned how to throw bags on the plane!
28yearsnojob
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:down: Management gets rasies and I get layed off ,a contractor does my work
There is something wrong here and it stinks.
There is something wrong here and it stinks.
BoeingBoy
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openview,
"Are you saying they should be compensated proportionately, in times of cuts or raises"
Let me see - 2-1/2 years for pilot ratings and finishing my degree (pretty much a must have that was interrupted by a little thing called Vietnam). Cost - about $20,000 in 1970 dollars.
5 years building time and qualifications making between $10,000 and $18,000 per year.
Passed an interview process where hundreds if not thousands wanted the same job I was after.
Physicals twice a year where a problem could mean the end of my career.
Simulator checks twice a year where a problem could mean the end of my career.
Recurrent ground school every year.
Continuing education - learning TCAS, EGPWS, PMS, FMS, CRM, etc.
Spending a month in training every time I change airplanes or seats.
Well, you get the picture. And to answer your question above - yes.
Jim
"Are you saying they should be compensated proportionately, in times of cuts or raises"
Let me see - 2-1/2 years for pilot ratings and finishing my degree (pretty much a must have that was interrupted by a little thing called Vietnam). Cost - about $20,000 in 1970 dollars.
5 years building time and qualifications making between $10,000 and $18,000 per year.
Passed an interview process where hundreds if not thousands wanted the same job I was after.
Physicals twice a year where a problem could mean the end of my career.
Simulator checks twice a year where a problem could mean the end of my career.
Recurrent ground school every year.
Continuing education - learning TCAS, EGPWS, PMS, FMS, CRM, etc.
Spending a month in training every time I change airplanes or seats.
Well, you get the picture. And to answer your question above - yes.
Jim
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They probably need the extra money for tires. Try taking a stand with some of the folks up there and you'll have to buy a set a week.PITbull said:
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You better learn to inspire if you wanna save your tires.
