Management Presents "plan" To Afa
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High Iron! Not sure what your rattling on about and i ll only say If you understood BUISNESS 101 Your OPINION WOULD B E DIFFERENT> PLAIN SIMPLE BUISNESS 101 (all CAPS) That tells me some dont have a clue but hey ITS the USA far less smarter have made a million ! By the way the stealth approach is always better tha our pres "shock and aww" I choose to avoid some posters that may not comprehend the basics and who choose to disagree for the sake of doing it or better yet bitterness hatred and plain out ole "just aint gonna get it"
I reposted my post as well as your reply. Re-read them both, especially your reply.
Would you like to try again...in a comprehensible manner, rather than the bona-fide conniption you posted above? No? I think the point is made then.
Checkmate.
I reposted my post as well as your reply. Re-read them both, especially your reply.
Would you like to try again...in a comprehensible manner, rather than the bona-fide conniption you posted above? No? I think the point is made then.
Checkmate.
I was wondering where Cav was! I thought he was on vacation or something. My real fascination is the poster with the alter ego on the board. Comes across as quite mentally unstable. I have been able to catch a few mistakes as she- I mean 'it' is unable to keep the lies straight. Got the tip off about it and have been watching. Quite entertaining!
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USfliboi,
If you are truly a f/a, I suggest you pick up from the internet America West Contract. I have it in my possession. YOu will see first hand that many of the conessionary language that U f/as ratified comes directly from the America West contract. You will also see the signators of the America West contract signed by our very own senior and middle management team that was recruited here. There sure is a lot of talk comparing us to America West, who just happens to be the other carrier with an approved ATSB guarantee and happens to be singing a success story since 9/11. Also, keep in mind they have a young workforce, and they haven't been around that long, and they are looking to expand their East coast presence.
And if you focus on another "clue", mangement has made no mention or effort to bridge any bad relations with labor, only to threaten a "sell off".
If you look real real hard, a light bulb may go off that just maybe, and I mean maybe, Chip Munn has it not quite right with the UCT with United.....but rather some kind of acquisition/merger type transaction with none other than:
Mesa/America West/and USAirways.
Purely speculation, but put some focused energy on that for awhile and chew it. And if this mangement even hints to correct our contract with anything that smells like America West....I'd start to worry about wearing America West uniforms.
PS: I suggest everyone "print" this thread, and then pull it out again in one year and see where we are at. In the meantime, be careful what you wish for, OR you permit to happen.
Think like management...their sole purpose is to "maximise shareholder value". Then, you will be able to start making sense of what the hell is taking place.
If you are truly a f/a, I suggest you pick up from the internet America West Contract. I have it in my possession. YOu will see first hand that many of the conessionary language that U f/as ratified comes directly from the America West contract. You will also see the signators of the America West contract signed by our very own senior and middle management team that was recruited here. There sure is a lot of talk comparing us to America West, who just happens to be the other carrier with an approved ATSB guarantee and happens to be singing a success story since 9/11. Also, keep in mind they have a young workforce, and they haven't been around that long, and they are looking to expand their East coast presence.
And if you focus on another "clue", mangement has made no mention or effort to bridge any bad relations with labor, only to threaten a "sell off".
If you look real real hard, a light bulb may go off that just maybe, and I mean maybe, Chip Munn has it not quite right with the UCT with United.....but rather some kind of acquisition/merger type transaction with none other than:
Mesa/America West/and USAirways.
Purely speculation, but put some focused energy on that for awhile and chew it. And if this mangement even hints to correct our contract with anything that smells like America West....I'd start to worry about wearing America West uniforms.
PS: I suggest everyone "print" this thread, and then pull it out again in one year and see where we are at. In the meantime, be careful what you wish for, OR you permit to happen.
Think like management...their sole purpose is to "maximise shareholder value". Then, you will be able to start making sense of what the hell is taking place.
usfliboi:usfliboi said:
This is my first time posting. I have been reading this forum for a time. You need to go back to this post and read what BoeingBoy wrote, real s-l-o-w.
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Gee, I speculated about this possibility...more of a TPG angle, but it was moved to the HP board.PITbull said:
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Row,
If you did speculate about this some time ago....I missed it, because I just wasn't focused on America West. But the deeper I read about them and their contract and what the implications are with Airways, makes me think that it may be just the road U mangement wants to travel or something along those lines. Presently, we ratified America West's reserve system and "sick pay penalty". I'll be watching closely what is offered next.
They surely aren't letting the employees know or even speculate about it. Its just a hunch something's up with Mesa, and jumbled with America West and us somehow. Orienstien is busy joining in the threat of buying our assets, while Siegel is busy threatening to sale. Bronner is chiming in as all a possibility if Labor doesn't cave. So, you have to wonder if they all aren't "breaking bread" together on a regular basis and getting together the "master plan".
If you did speculate about this some time ago....I missed it, because I just wasn't focused on America West. But the deeper I read about them and their contract and what the implications are with Airways, makes me think that it may be just the road U mangement wants to travel or something along those lines. Presently, we ratified America West's reserve system and "sick pay penalty". I'll be watching closely what is offered next.
They surely aren't letting the employees know or even speculate about it. Its just a hunch something's up with Mesa, and jumbled with America West and us somehow. Orienstien is busy joining in the threat of buying our assets, while Siegel is busy threatening to sale. Bronner is chiming in as all a possibility if Labor doesn't cave. So, you have to wonder if they all aren't "breaking bread" together on a regular basis and getting together the "master plan".
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well, here is my post from a couple of weeks ago (good luck, everyone):
Things brings up something that Ive been thinking about:
America East
I guess it's crossed my mind because of recent developments:
U's continued (supposed) losses;
U's unions decrying a personal trust and affection problem with U management;
HP's success;
HP's apparent good labor relations;
Bonderman's leaving CAL's board (isn't he still involved in TexPac and HP?);
Star Alliance losing Mexicana to oneworld;
some fleet commonality between U and HP;
repeated questions on this boad about U employees potential consideration of concessions with a new management and new business plan;
Continued speculation (all be it quiet and unsubstantiated) of UAL's need to divest or reduce costs further to exit Ch 11.
Considering the above, what say you to the prospect of Bonderman approaching U and U's unions for a combo of HP and U with a change in U management, of course, that would include U unions accepting HP's labor cost inputs (roughly) with continued code share with UAL and Star Alliance with some re-alignment, including some downgrading of UAL at LAX, perhaps a little downgrading of HP and LAS, perhaps some focus activity at STL and a southern hublet like MSY, AUS or IAH.
I mean is this the kind of thing that U labor would be wiling to accept? I do not know how much LESS HP employees make or how different their work rules are. I presume that they make less and have, generally, more flexible work rules.
Things brings up something that Ive been thinking about:
America East
I guess it's crossed my mind because of recent developments:
U's continued (supposed) losses;
U's unions decrying a personal trust and affection problem with U management;
HP's success;
HP's apparent good labor relations;
Bonderman's leaving CAL's board (isn't he still involved in TexPac and HP?);
Star Alliance losing Mexicana to oneworld;
some fleet commonality between U and HP;
repeated questions on this boad about U employees potential consideration of concessions with a new management and new business plan;
Continued speculation (all be it quiet and unsubstantiated) of UAL's need to divest or reduce costs further to exit Ch 11.
Considering the above, what say you to the prospect of Bonderman approaching U and U's unions for a combo of HP and U with a change in U management, of course, that would include U unions accepting HP's labor cost inputs (roughly) with continued code share with UAL and Star Alliance with some re-alignment, including some downgrading of UAL at LAX, perhaps a little downgrading of HP and LAS, perhaps some focus activity at STL and a southern hublet like MSY, AUS or IAH.
I mean is this the kind of thing that U labor would be wiling to accept? I do not know how much LESS HP employees make or how different their work rules are. I presume that they make less and have, generally, more flexible work rules.
I know they make less, but not sure how much. I am trying to get a copy of the customer service payscales, but since they dont have any agents in TPA (contracted out to CO), its kinda hard to do. Guess that saves them some money, but since HP and CO arent doing the codeshare thing anymore, I dont know how many places they still do the cross contract work.RowUnderDCA said:
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Just an FYI, HP's ramp tops out at approx. $15.35 after 15 years, IIRC.
USfliboiusfliboi said:
Been reading these forums for a while and it seems you are either a true blue shill as was coined on these boards or a man of no conviction. Maybe you are so scared of you job you will do anything possible to keep it with no regard to the matter the cost to yourself and co-workers.
You are surly allowed your opinions and I surely am allowed to dismiss them
