Machinists Union Merger Update

[700UW]

top out of HP is 23.35 and top out for US is 22.77 in nine years not ten.

License pay is $1 per license also for the line and all leads.

So there is not much of a difference, only 68 cents an hour.

And that is after three rounds of concessions in two bankruptcies.

 

[Awa Contract]

Grade school math still says that is less

 

[700UW]

And grade school tells you that US has almost three times the amount of mechanics then HP because we do heavy mtc overhaul and you dont.

And what about from 99 to 2002 where US mechs made over $28 an hour?

Guess two bankruptcy in less then two years means nothing to you.

Don't you realize there will be hiring mechanics when the NMB rules single carrier status as the overhaul of your planes must be done in-house?

And there is absolutely no gaurantee the IBT will be succesful in making any scope language improvements.

Scope=Jobs, and I bet if the IBT lets the company outsource more work you can get paid more too, but then ofcourse there would be more layoffs.

Look at the IBT contract at WN, which is now AMFA represented, great pay, no scope. IBT at CO lets them farm out all heavy mtc too, I am begining to see a thread with the IBT and its mechanics they represent, OUTSOURCING of Heavy Maintenance.

Isnt UPS mechanics Teamsters?

Gee they outsource heavy checks too.

You would think the IBT would have leverage five years ago:

FAA May Ground America West
The Associated Press
P H O E N I X, Aug. 26, 2000 — America West planes will be grounded unless the airline proves within a week that it has completed maintenance on a quarter of its fleet, federal regulators said Friday.

It was the second time this year in which the nation’s ninth-largest carrier faced disciplinary action over maintenance issues. The Federal Aviation Administration threatened in January to bar the suburban
Tempe-based airline from acquiring additional planes until it provided adequate maintenance for the ones it had.

This time, David Gillom of the FAA told the airline by letter that, based on an audit and review, “we have serious concerns about American West’ s continuous airworthiness maintenance program.â€

Overall, the airline must show it has completed the checks on 35 of its 130 planes.

Airline Says It Can Answer Charges

America West President Douglas Parker and other senior executives were away on a company retreat and couldn’t be reached for comment, but Parker issued a statement saying the airline has completed the required maintenance and can prove it.

However, company spokesman James Sabourin said America West canceled seven flights on Thursday in order to complete maintenance checks on nine aircraft.

The FAA is auditing all nine major carriers in response to a January Alaska Airlines crash that killed 88 people, which lead to a review of Alaska’s maintenance practices. Six of those audits have been completed.

FAA spokeswoman Diane Spitalierie said its audit of America West found no flight safety issues but that the agency nonetheless doesn’t consider proper record-keeping and oversight of major maintenance a minor issue, since those practices represent a way to prevent accidents.

History of Problems

America West has been under FAA scrutiny over maintenance for more than two years. The airline was fined $5 million in July 1998 over maintenance issues that included failing to conduct required inspections. Half of the fine was forgiven, despite local FAA officials’ objections.

This past July, the airline temporarily reduced the number of flights in order to double the number of spare planes available and otherwise to give maintenance increased attention in light of reduced earnings resulting
in part from delays and cancellations.

In February, a computer glitch led to cancellation of 160 flights and left about 1,000 passengers stranded. Maintenance problems then led to flight cancellations during the Memorial Day weekend in May.

The airline had laid off 500 maintenance workers in 1995 in favor of having an outside firm handle much of the work. Many of the mechanics were rehired in late 1998.

In the current warning, the FAA expressed concern about deferred maintenance and poor oversight of heavy maintenance overhauls conducted by outside vendors.

 

[Awa Contract]

Yep - nobody is perfect -- the problem there was not with the mechanics but with records upstairs and planning. But how many dead and how many crashes there??? Has it ever crossed your mind that IAM doesn't have that wage any more, and maybe that was part of the bankruptcies ?? Got a news flash for you 700 - you got different management now, things are going to be different. You either change and adapt or you will be passed by. Time for a change in leadership and work mentality.

US Airways IAM Mechanics - sign a Teamster Card - Secure yoourself the right to vote - do your own research - then VOTE for which ever group best serves your needs. Do not listen to 700 or me - YOU are WISE enough to make up your own mind. IT IS YOUR CAREER AND LIVELYHOOD.

 

[700UW]

And what are you going to do when you don't get the 50%+1 since the majority if furloughees dont care?

I will be the first to say I told you so.

And this is not paperwork:

America West has been under FAA scrutiny over maintenance for more than two years. The airline was fined $5 million in July 1998 over maintenance issues that included failing to conduct required inspections. Half of the fine was forgiven, despite local FAA officials’ objections.

 

[Awa Contract]

Apparently you don't read to well - I said "and planning". That is not the mechanics and they are not part of our unit.

To the second part I think I would almost rather not have representation that have the IAM - I have been under thier thumb before. My experience is they listen to thier membership about as much as they do management.

 

[B737 MECHANIC]

Apparently you don't read to well - I said "and planning". That is not the mechanics and they are not part of our unit.

You are wasting your breath stop trying

 

[700UW]

Mechanics, Stock Clerks, Utility, Planners, Material Contollers, MOC, Tech Docs, Inspection, QA are all part of the IAM/US Collective Bargaining Agreement

 

[B737 MECHANIC]

Mechanics, Stock Clerks, Utility, Planners, Material Contollers, MOC, Tech Docs, Inspection, QA are all part of the IAM/US Collective Bargaining Agreement

and do the all vote on the same contract

 

[700UW]

They are all under the same contract, it is one contract, so of course they all vote on it.

 

[B737 MECHANIC]

They are all under the same contract, it is one contract, so of course they all vote on it.

well to me that kinda sucks because if the mechanic portion of the contract sucks but as long as everyone else is happy then it gets passed and my pay wage and all else is and can also be decided on by other work groups

 

[700UW]

Mechanics outnumber anyone, no one can out vote them even if every other single employee voted yes.

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Infact we will be operating under two seperate contracts for awhile.

US Airways Mechanics sign the cards - secure the right to vote - do your own research on the issues instead of listening to the BS on here - then vote what YOU think is best for YOU. Do not let me or any other union rep or part time employee tell you how to vote for your future. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND VOTE WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU - IT IS YOUR CAREER AND LIVELYHOOD

Lets make a deal. You say the mechanics will be operating two seperate contracts for awhile right? How about the IBT secure a contract before any kind of cards are turned any or any votes cast? I mean shouldn't a vote be on equal terms? Why tell someone to vote on a unknown? For someone to do that is just plain nuts especially when one farms out all heavy and says they are going to bring it in house. Lets see it talk is cheap.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

Lets make a deal. You say the mechanics will be operating two seperate contracts for awhile right? How about the IBT secure a contract before any kind of cards are turned any or any votes cast? I mean shouldn't a vote be on equal terms? Why tell someone to vote on a unknown? For someone to do that is just plain nuts especially when one farms out all heavy and says they are going to bring it in house. Lets see it talk is cheap.

Talk is exactly that Charlie....let your IBT secure the verbage on all Heavy Maintenance...or equal to what we enjoy with the IAM now...and maybe you might have a foot race.

Until that point comes....you are betting on a dog that won't hunt for hundreds and hundreds of those at the combined airline.

For now...and for the greater majority...The one in the hand with the IAM....beats your hypotheticals all to hell.

 

[Docker]

Thanks for the reply Awa, the 360 hours is an approvement but a 6 month cushion at U is a whole lot better.

Tuna if you all get a signed contract including heavy checks I will sign a card..... Our license pay at U also increases $.25 at 1-08 and $.25 at 1-09.