Maa (republic)

[700UW]

There was no deal reached between the IAM and the company, can you not understand that fact?

 

[mwereplanes]

Hold the phone a second. Before you try to shame someone into quitting their job on the bottom (or middle) so as to protect the profession, what about the entire pilot group at USAir. And HP for that matter.

I was a U pilot near the top. Very near the top. I quit because I can make more money doing something different. Not flying. I agree with your premise, the ENTIRE pilot group at U should have at least let the judge decide and then voted to strike. A company that cannot afford to keep the promises it made to its retirees should not be in business.

Using your rationale, USAir should be a ghost town with no one still reporting for work. Abandoning an industry leading contract under the guise of "half a loaf is better than none" (which implies it wasn't your loaf to begin with) is no better than the CHQ guy who takes the low paying F/O job. And the same applies at HP, where the pilots showed up for class knowing they were going to fly for 60% of the prevailing wages and benefits. And they smiled for their ID photo.

Once again I agree. U should not be in business. They are in business simply because of the pilot group capitulating to ridiculous demands made by an incompetent and immoral management. Now they are seeing the fruition of that incompetence with the sale of the MDA jets, the dismantling of the fleet, and the contract rape that is ongoing. And an MEC that still apparently hasn't had enough.

Now with the help of airline industry management, a union that wants to go around thinking like management and a rank and file who gladly has their expectations managed, the salary skyscrapers have been razed and the little old shack that was HP is one of the tallest buildings in town.

HP is NOT one of the tallest buildings in town. They are not using any of their own money for the merger. They have none. And they do not quite understand the unworkable nonsense that is USAirways. But they will in short order. Unless Parker is a miracle worker, and for the sake of the employees I hope he is, all that has been done is to buy the combined entity a little more time before liquidation.

I agree with alot of what you are saying, but it is directed at the wrong people. Go down to Embry-Riddle and stand on a milkcrate on the corner and scream this stuff, and you may have more positive influence.

ALPA should be a fixture down there. But ALPA has no guts or intelligence. Hell, wait until you see the fireworks on the HP/U seniority integration. Because ALPA doesn't understand what a national seniority list is. I agree that the youngsters need educated as to what the profession entails and what it is worth. But to see pilots who have been in the industry for all these years accept these types of pay and working conditions is just disheartening. No pride in the profession, only looking for a paycheck to fly. Most, if not all, could make more money outside of the industry but are too afraid to try. So they accept the nonsense and hope for better days. That is just foolish. And it is destroying a profession.

mr

 

[robbedagain]

There was no deal reached between the IAM and the company, can you not understand that fact?

[post="280060"][/post]​

Can You Understand The Fact that they could have negogiated a deal rather than sell the 30 cities out with 600 or so employees? I can. But the IAM had to keep the caterers in phl so there went my job along with 600 others. The pilots are/have done it to their own as well with that J4J thing and now the MidTitanic crews are getting screwed yet once again. this airline shouldnt be flying period. if they cant keep their promises to retirees, let alone the actual coworkers, all the while stuffing their already fat wallets, then why stay in business. For those that are left on the property, i wish you all good luck and BYGOD I hope Doug Parker can straightened it up without hurting you more. Good Luck.

 

[markkus757]

When it comes down to it, human nature makes us survive. If that means you get rid of someone else instead of you, then that's the way it is. Most people can't resist this urge, especially union workers. I see it every day at my job. We have more grievences against other "union brethren" than against the company. US just happens to be exploited you and this weakness.

 

[700UW]

Did you ever realize that with the management of this company never wanted to reach a deal as they knew Judge Mitchell would abrogate the contracts?

And union members can't file grievances against fellow members.

 

[robbedagain]

Did you ever realize that with the management of this company never wanted to reach a deal as they knew Judge Mitchell would abrogate the contracts?

And union members can't file grievances against fellow members.

[post="280190"][/post]​

if that's the case, then why couldnt the union get together and do a united type threat by telling the judge "look we need to get rid of this mgmt team " and pass out a vote of no confidence? that is what it appeared to work from what i can tell.

 

[PITbull]

Hold the phone a second. Before you try to shame someone into quitting their job on the bottom (or middle) so as to protect the profession, what about the entire pilot group at USAir. And HP for that matter.

I was a U pilot near the top. Very near the top. I quit because I can make more money doing something different. Not flying. I agree with your premise, the ENTIRE pilot group at U should have at least let the judge decide and then voted to strike. A company that cannot afford to keep the promises it made to its retirees should not be in business.

Using your rationale, USAir should be a ghost town with no one still reporting for work. Abandoning an industry leading contract under the guise of "half a loaf is better than none" (which implies it wasn't your loaf to begin with) is no better than the CHQ guy who takes the low paying F/O job. And the same applies at HP, where the pilots showed up for class knowing they were going to fly for 60% of the prevailing wages and benefits. And they smiled for their ID photo.

Once again I agree. U should not be in business. They are in business simply because of the pilot group capitulating to ridiculous demands made by an incompetent and immoral management. Now they are seeing the fruition of that incompetence with the sale of the MDA jets, the dismantling of the fleet, and the contract rape that is ongoing. And an MEC that still apparently hasn't had enough.

Now with the help of airline industry management, a union that wants to go around thinking like management and a rank and file who gladly has their expectations managed, the salary skyscrapers have been razed and the little old shack that was HP is one of the tallest buildings in town.

HP is NOT one of the tallest buildings in town. They are not using any of their own money for the merger. They have none. And they do not quite understand the unworkable nonsense that is USAirways. But they will in short order. Unless Parker is a miracle worker, and for the sake of the employees I hope he is, all that has been done is to buy the combined entity a little more time before liquidation.

I agree with alot of what you are saying, but it is directed at the wrong people. Go down to Embry-Riddle and stand on a milkcrate on the corner and scream this stuff, and you may have more positive influence.

ALPA should be a fixture down there. But ALPA has no guts or intelligence. Hell, wait until you see the fireworks on the HP/U seniority integration. Because ALPA doesn't understand what a national seniority list is. I agree that the youngsters need educated as to what the profession entails and what it is worth. But to see pilots who have been in the industry for all these years accept these types of pay and working conditions is just disheartening. No pride in the profession, only looking for a paycheck to fly. Most, if not all, could make more money outside of the industry but are too afraid to try. So they accept the nonsense and hope for better days. That is just foolish. And it is destroying a profession.

mr

[post="280069"][/post]​

mwereplanes,

Again, I agree with you 100% .

Miss you, mean it.

 

[Light Years]

Any more news actually about MAA/Republic? I don't think the last two pages were even about it...

Are the MAA F/As going to really be furloughed again, after they stay a few more months so some scab company can train thier replacements?

And all of this crap and the company and union still deny that they are active employees. Mainline AFA should be at the table with Republic. Who do they think these F/As work for? There is no MidAtlantic Airways and never has been.

 

[PSA1979]

Any more news actually about MAA/Republic? I don't think the last two pages were even about it...

Are the MAA F/As going to really be furloughed again, after they stay a few more months so some scab company can train thier replacements?

And all of this crap and the company and union still deny that they are active employees. Mainline AFA should be at the table with Republic. Who do they think these F/As work for? There is no MidAtlantic Airways and never has been.

[post="280208"][/post]​

Light years, as ugly as it seems, when you took the job at MidAtlantic, you knew you would not be accruing any seniority at mainline. It is in the contract, it is in the Involuntary Furlough bid letter for MidAtlantic (Receive mainline adjusted longevity at MidAtlantic for pay purposes only).and it is a fact. After all this time of flying, to say it is not fair, "I should be consisdered active", is not facing reality. You knew when you signed up that this would be the case. As a certain Captain says, "Do I like it?, No" but you all need to get over this, it is not something that can be changed and is a waste of time and energy to keep harping on it.

You know that old prayer " God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. ... "

Peace!

 

[Light Years]

I've never taken a job at MidAtlantic, and actually wasn't referring to seniority.

I guess go ahead and tell the MAA pilots they should stop harping on the active/inactive thing. They have a lawsuit against ALPA for taking thier dues and claiming they are not active. I guess they don't feel it's a waste of thier time and energy at all. So I guess we'll just see if they win, then the F/As will be considered active as well, I'm not sure how that would affect seniority or longevity.

As for changing things halfway through, check out the MAA reserve system, uniform system, insurance, OPR, and the multitude of other supposedly contractual things the company has drastically changed "after all of that flying." Which contract is it in? Is there anything at all about MAA in the mainline contract? If so, where? Because there is no MAA contract, never has been, and the company is refusing to provide one. So what are they going by? And whether they get thier accrual or not, are you seriously saying they are not active? If so, then who do they work for? Complete the sentence "These people on the E170s are F/As for _______." Who? "MidAtlantic"? Good luck finding that company.

I pray for the wisdom to know the difference between a pile of B.S. and what really is, and to change things for the better period. And I'm blessed.

My point was, since mainline (let's call them Boeing and Airbus Division F/As) negotiated the MAA deal to begin with, they should be attempting to help them as they are facing thier demise. They have one inexperienced AFA rep, no contract, and thier planes being sold without them. These are mainline F/As, in a situation that's unprecedented at any other carrier (carrier within a carrier with no contract?) and the results of this will affect all at mainline. Mainline AFA (not just the one lady at MAA) should be on top of this and making sure as few US F/As lose thier jobs over this as possible. As it stands right now, every one of them does.

I'd be extremely worried about this if I was a mainline F/A and planned some sort of future with US. Another company will be flying planes larger than DC9/F100s without US Airways F/As? Ouch, I'd be pretty concerned about that one, if not for the junior people.

Maybe we can be a comfort and tell everyone to "get over it" when they get furloughed. Your pay cuts, pensions- "get over it"! What a great way to look at things. Get Over It!

 

[PITbull]

The MidAtlantic f/as ARE accruing senoirity for all bidding purposes. They are NOT accruing for longevity purposes.


IMO, those who no absolutely NOTHING about MAA or their negotiations should shut the hell up.

I see in my crystal ball a major, huge, big, maga, grievance over the change of control of MAA Division if I were their MEC President. You guys at MAA need to trust that the MAA MEC President is ALL OVER THIS SHITTTT. HOW I KNOW THIS? I know this!!!! What can be done; will be done.

Like it or not, the co. is looking at this as an asset sale.

I'm not MAA, but I see it as a "change in control". Leave it up to the legal eagles for resolve.

Again, merger with AWA is "date of hire". How folks fall in that equation is how they will slot in.

 

[SpinDoc]

As long as it is not your wallet effected you don't care. That is your M.O.

Just wait till your plane is next, then you will throw a temper tantrum like you did when your MEC gave more then the ask in the first bankrucpty after two rounds of concessions when that MEC gave your pension away without a membership vote.

SpinDoc replies:

Dude. Shut up.

Some things are better left unsaid. IF, and
I do mean IF USA320Pilot is affected by the
merger, then he will make his disappointment
known. Until then, all you are doing is wasting
bandwidth inciting him into your stupid little
game.

Silence dumbo.

 

[SpinDoc]

There was no deal reached between the IAM and the company, can you not understand that fact?

[post="280060"][/post]​

SpinDoc Replies:

Sure there was. The majority of the IAM
members voted "YES" on the company's
last offer.

De facto, they reached an agreement with
the company. Grow up and get a life.

Thank You.

 

[Light Years]

The MidAtlantic f/as ARE accruing senoirity for all bidding purposes. They are NOT accruing for longevity purposes.
IMO, those who no absolutely NOTHING about MAA or their negotiations should shut the hell up.

I see in my crystal ball a major, huge, big, maga, grievance over the change of control of MAA Division if I were their MEC President. You guys at MAA need to trust that the MAA MEC President is ALL OVER THIS SHITTTT. HOW I KNOW THIS? I know this!!!! What can be done; will be done.

Like it or not, the co. is looking at this as an asset sale.

I'm not MAA, but I see it as a "change in control". Leave it up to the legal eagles for resolve.

Again, merger with AWA is "date of hire". How folks fall in that equation is how they will slot in.

[post="280222"][/post]​

Thank you PITbull!

 

[the turtle]

Keep stirring the pot, LY....it's what you do best.