M and R negotiations

[ThirdSeatHero]

Sure thing guy. You convince just one member of your crew that he should give up the pay raise we received in order to provide a good wage for the cleaners who no longer work here, and I will do the same. UA is never going to recall them. We all know that.

The 12 month increased top out affected how many people? A dozen maybe? I have no idea but it is a small number. With all our UA recalls, when do you expect UA to be able to hire any new employees that will be affected by this language? Not any time soon. I'll take the money for this company savings. No problem.

Eliminating lead ratio language lost us how many leads? ZERO. We have just as many leads as we did before and now it is harder to get rid of them. More company savings, more money for me.

Pay time accruals that screw furloughees? Again, how small a number is that? Most if not all of the mechanics on furlough are already topped out. This language applies only to those who are on B scale. I am OK with this language. If a guy hires on at UA works for 8 months and then furloughed for 5 years 4 months, you want him to come back as an topped out full wage earner mechanic? Call me stinky but the 90 day credit he will received seems fair to me. And the company is willing to pay me to agree. I'll take it.

Sick time language improvements were turned down in the first TA in favor of more money. Sad but true. Besides TSH, you have to actually work in order to risk an on the job injury. Fugget about it.... No language change.

7 day coverage at the base? Similar language has been around since at least 1994. When has the company used it? And for this they will pay me more? Cha Ching.,,,

Sacrificing superior profit sharing? You mean that check that bought us lunch and a couple of beers every 6 months? Yeah, you can have that back too. I will take guaranteed increased wages any day over a "profit sharing" check in the mail.

BAQ's? Would you rather use the acronym we used before for Training and Qualifications? You don't like these new letters? I disagree that the BAQ's offer any type of cross utilization, but I am concerned at the time the company is taking in implementing the plan. Once completed I do like the way the new system will offer us a chance to monitor and challenge our training and qualifications records. It should have been done by now. No money here either.

Skill pay eliminated? Seriously? Nobody told you? How much did your skill pay go up with each passing wage increase?? ZERO DUDE!! Skill pay was another BAD IAM play that really held us back. The Teamsters took the skill pay, removed the category and stuck the pay in to our basic wages. That way any wage adjustment would be made based on the entire base pay and not base pay minus "skill pay". How much money over the years do you think we lost because skill pay was never used to calculate increases? The IAM played right in to the companies hands with that one. Think about it while I spend the extra money for this language change.

Your so on's and so on's? What more ridiculous claims do you want to make? Did YOU or any mechanic working on your crew actually LOOSE any money because of this agreement? Get real my Teamster brother. You know you like the contract. We all do.

LMFAO!

Thank you for proving my point!

You don't refute that the ibt just traded away language for our raise.

All that you did was once again expose the pathetic self centered mindset of the teamsters showing just how willing you are to screw the next guy in line, or the furloughee on the street, while at the same time, out of the other side of your mouth claiming you're defending our profession. Nice try Hypocrite.

 

[Anomaly]

LMFAO!

Thank you for proving my point!

You don't refute that the ibt just traded away language for our raise.

All that you did was once again expose the pathetic self centered mindset of the teamsters showing just how willing you are to screw the next guy in line, or the furloughee on the street, while at the same time, out of the other side of your mouth claiming you're defending our profession. Nice try Hypocrite.

Of course! They traded away language that benefited employees and work groups that do not exist.

You want to give up portions of your salary for future and non-existent employees be my guest. In fact, why don;t you start a petition here at the terminal for us to give up part of our pay for these causes. When it gets to me, I will be sure to consider signing. No promises however. I have given up enough during my time here.

If you can't do that and still demand pure equality for all? I suggest you move to China. I hear they have a program that might interest your type of bleeding heart.

 

[psa8979]

To ALL M&R Members who think voting for either of the RAIDER Unions. will get you closer to the Wage's and Benefit's your IBT/UPS M&R Brothers make, are FOOLS ! Keep what you have or wait even longer for what you want. Good Luck ! Contracts NOW ! Contracts for ALL ! SOLIDARITY !

 

[TRAVIS]

You poor soul you have been beat to submission with no fight left in you.
It's Ok little brother we will fight for you.

Have A Nice IBT Day!

 

[swamt]

LMFAO!

Thank you for proving my point!

You don't refute that the ibt just traded away language for our raise.

All that you did was once again expose the pathetic self centered mindset of the teamsters showing just how willing you are to screw the next guy in line, or the furloughee on the street, while at the same time, out of the other side of your mouth claiming you're defending our profession. Nice try Hypocrite.

And if everyone has not already noticed, this is the type of person he really is. And, this is why I always tell Anomaly and Travis to PLEASE keep posting. LOL!! Carry on gentlemen, carry on; please...

 

[Anomaly]

And if everyone has not already noticed, this is the type of person he really is. And, this is why I always tell Anomaly and Travis to PLEASE keep posting. LOL!! Carry on gentlemen, carry on; please...

swamt...shouldn't you be doing a google search for something? Or at least practicing on spelling the second half of the word negotiation?

 

[TRAVIS]

swamt...shouldn't you be doing a google search for something? Or at least practicing on spelling the second half of the word negotiation?

That's Why The SWA Contract Is ON HOLD The company don't understand his memo's...(we need to nego this week of.....LOL)
Well swamt if you think we are doing such a good job for you then do me a favor an tell all the amfa members your welcome..IT WANT TAKE YOU LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY MEMBERS.

 

[1AA]

To ALL M&R Members who think voting for either of the RAIDER Unions. will get you closer to the Wage's and Benefit's your IBT/UPS M&R Brothers make, are FOOLS ! Keep what you have or wait even longer for what you want. Good Luck ! Contracts NOW ! Contracts for ALL ! SOLIDARITY !

You forgot to add that UPS has about 2000 AMT's and they farm out 100% of their heavy checks including B checks. Did you also know that UPS has PART TIME AMT's.

No you did not did you?

 

[mike33]

That's Why The SWA Contract Is ON HOLD The company don't understand his memo's...(we need to nego this week of.....LOL)
Well swamt if you think we are doing such a good job for you then do me a favor an tell all the amfa members your welcome..IT WANT TAKE YOU LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY MEMBERS.

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Glasses houses are hard to live in!

 

[swamt]

swamt...shouldn't you be doing a google search for something? Or at least practicing on spelling the second half of the word negotiation?

That's Why The SWA Contract Is ON HOLD The company don't understand his memo's...(we need to nego this week of.....LOL)
Well swamt if you think we are doing such a good job for you then do me a favor an tell all the amfa members your welcome..IT WANT TAKE YOU LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY MEMBERS.

Need I say any more??
The AMFA/SWA contract talks are currently back on. They have already been back to the table this month and more dates scheduled next month.
When people have to attack some ones spelling then it's just tell-tale that they have nothing to rebut. I will abbreviate as I always do.
And once again you are wrong. I have nothing to do with the "NEGO" cmte. I do not set dates, they are merely passed along to me by the "NEGO" cmte members.
Keep posting, all the above blah, blah, blah was perfect timing indeed, keep up the good work, your doing great as usual...

 

[TRAVIS]

doesn't
wont

Glasses houses are hard to live in!

Well we in the backwoods country use it all the time don't you know.


Definition of DON'T


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Usage Discussion of DON'T

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Have a Nice IBT Day.

 

[TRAVIS]

Bring that dog on down south here and we southern boys will learn it to hunt..

 

[Anomaly]

That's Why The SWA Contract Is ON HOLD The company don't understand his memo's...(we need to nego this week of.....LOL)
Well swamt if you think we are doing such a good job for you then do me a favor an tell all the amfa members your welcome..IT WANT TAKE YOU LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY MEMBERS.

You should be ashamed at yourself Travis for making a false claim that amfa is on hold. This is simply NOT true. amfa did in fact meet with the company last week to continue their first talks since April. They met for a whole day and a half and almost, close, sorta, just about, got something done. Without boring you on the details, I will give you the recap.

On July 17 nego started again (I want swamt to understand). At first, they were confused and had to remember what they were doing, but the company helped them figure it out. Unfortunately, just after getting back on track, they realized the company made a change to something amfa thought had been settled Dec 4, but not really. Now they have to do that all over again but it was getting late so they will do it next time.

The next day was an easy day (whew...). Good thing because only half a meeting could be scheduled. amfa was ready and all set to discuss two more articles. They waited to here the companies changes but found out there were none. This must have thrown the off because rather than present contract language changes for the company to look at between meetings, the amfa nego team decided to put it back in their pocket and wait until next time. Maybe it was too scary? Who knows, but the proposals will be held again until next meeting.

That seemed like it until the bomb dropped. Just before the end of the second half day session (if the meeting started at 9:00, I could guess it must have been at least 9:07 by this time??) the company explained that they would like to take control and start running their company without amfa input in certain circumstances. The nogo team explained that the association will not agree and the company will not be given unilateral control to run their company, but if they want, could talk about what control they would be willing to accept as long as it meant international growth.... or something like that (does this make sense to anyone?). They decided to stop talking for the morning. It was time to eat.

They are going to meet again in August for another exciting round of "delay this nego". Not to worry. 2018 is just around the corner.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You should be ashamed at yourself Travis for making a false claim that amfa is on hold. This is simply NOT true. amfa did in fact meet with the company last week to continue their first talks since April. They met for a whole day and a half and almost, close, sorta, just about, got something done. Without boring you on the details, I will give you the recap.

On July 17 nego started again (I want swamt to understand). At first, they were confused and had to remember what they were doing, but the company helped them figure it out. Unfortunately, just after getting back on track, they realized the company made a change to something amfa thought had been settled Dec 4, but not really. Now they have to do that all over again but it was getting late so they will do it next time.

The next day was an easy day (whew...). Good thing because only half a meeting could be scheduled. amfa was ready and all set to discuss two more articles. They waited to here the companies changes but found out there were none. This must have thrown the off because rather than present contract language changes for the company to look at between meetings, the amfa nego team decided to put it back in their pocket and wait until next time. Maybe it was too scary? Who knows, but the proposals will be held again until next meeting.

That seemed like it until the bomb dropped. Just before the end of the second half day session (if the meeting started at 9:00, I could guess it must have been at least 9:07 by this time??) the company explained that they would like to take control and start running their company without amfa input in certain circumstances. The nogo team explained that the association will not agree and the company will not be given unilateral control to run their company, but if they want, could talk about what control they would be willing to accept as long as it meant international growth.... or something like that (does this make sense to anyone?). They decided to stop talking for the morning. It was time to eat.

They are going to meet again in August for another exciting round of "delay this nego". Not to worry. 2018 is just around the corner.

So says the teamsters cheerleader whose own CBA is on hold by MUTUAL agreement with the company.

Nice try.

 

[TRAVIS]

You should be ashamed at yourself Travis for making a false claim that amfa is on hold. This is simply NOT true. amfa did in fact meet with the company last week to continue their first talks since April. They met for a whole day and a half and almost, close, sorta, just about, got something done. Without boring you on the details, I will give you the recap.

On July 17 nego started again (I want swamt to understand). At first, they were confused and had to remember what they were doing, but the company helped them figure it out. Unfortunately, just after getting back on track, they realized the company made a change to something amfa thought had been settled Dec 4, but not really. Now they have to do that all over again but it was getting late so they will do it next time.

The next day was an easy day (whew...). Good thing because only half a meeting could be scheduled. amfa was ready and all set to discuss two more articles. They waited to here the companies changes but found out there were none. This must have thrown the off because rather than present contract language changes for the company to look at between meetings, the amfa nego team decided to put it back in their pocket and wait until next time. Maybe it was too scary? Who knows, but the proposals will be held again until next meeting.

That seemed like it until the bomb dropped. Just before the end of the second half day session (if the meeting started at 9:00, I could guess it must have been at least 9:07 by this time??) the company explained that they would like to take control and start running their company without amfa input in certain circumstances. The nogo team explained that the association will not agree and the company will not be given unilateral control to run their company, but if they want, could talk about what control they would be willing to accept as long as it meant international growth.... or something like that (does this make sense to anyone?). They decided to stop talking for the morning. It was time to eat.

They are going to meet again in August for another exciting round of "delay this nego". Not to worry. 2018 is just around the corner.

Your right I did not know that they had resumed to negotiate, my bad. So we need to talk about what they got accomplished so what did they have for brunch?

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Have a Nice IBT Day.