Local 70 Nominations- so Many!

[PITbull]

missthe727,

Exactly how much does it cost the Local to send out an eline? I thought the whole idea behind the e line was that it is much cheaper than paper correspondence? Why is there a fee each time an eline is sent out, and who is paid the fee? This is bananas....

There is no line item fee for the locals for use of the AFA local e-lines. This would be disclosed in each locals's budget and the cost does not exist. There is no separate cost for each local to have or operate an E-line or website. The websites are maintained by the MEC communication chair and only because the voting members of the MEC chose to have a Webmaster. a WEBmaster or MEC Communication Chair is paid to place and maintain the MEC and local websites through the communication budget. That budget includes any newsletters written by the MEC office or and website maintenance. PIT was in control of their own e-lines and had no interference from International or anyone... interference was not permissable. The e-lines are at the local LECP discretion to use for communication if they chose to, or not. There are some LECs that don't write out at all or use their local e-lines to communicate. They just don't communicate, and rather wait for the MECP to put out their communication/spin on a topic.

 

[Itestwell]

There is no line item fee for the locals for use of the AFA local e-lines. This would be disclosed in each locals's budget and the cost does not exist. There is no separate cost for each local to have or operate an E-line or website. The websites are maintained by the MEC communication chair and only because the voting members of the MEC chose to have a Webmaster. a WEBmaster or MEC Communication Chair is paid to place and maintain the MEC and local websites through the communication budget. That budget includes any newsletters written by the MEC office or and website maintenance. PIT was in control of their own e-lines and had no interference from International or anyone... interference was not permissable. The e-lines are at the local LECP discretion to use for communication if they chose to, or not. There are some LECs that don't write out at all or use their local e-lines to communicate. They just don't communicate, and rather wait for the MECP to put out their communication/spin on a topic.

Kinda like LA would simply cut and paste the MEC eline and send it as an LEC eline, 2 days later...

 

[PITbull]

Well, I'm sure the MECP will be sending something out regarding permission to give the candidates access to their local e-lines for the purpose of campaigning. But, unfortunately, no one will be able to do this because things have surely changed this year regarding member access to the e-lines for the purpose of campaigning.

From the looks of the e-mail that was sent to the MEC, no one knew that their local addresses were sent through "Get Active" a non-profit organization that AFA International pays to take care of the e-lines.

When the old MEC was in office, they all controled their own e-lines. Nerver did the USA MEC have International tell them what, or when to post or for any fee. But, within a year, some how, some way, whether knowingly or not, the LECs lost control of their e-lines and gave them to the MEC Webmaster who in turn uses this AFA International "Get Active" controled by AFA Intenational. The entire USA MEC is under the AFA International "ospice" for all USA MEC/LEC communication. Therefore, they are now beholden to the C&B which now will cost individuals $75 to post a campaign letter.

I hope that when the new officers take control of their base, that they set up an AFA e-mail address for the base and have all the addresses sent to a local address so they can once again control their own e-lines. It can be set up very easily. This way, the local will no longer be beholden to the AFA International for permission on anything on the local website or e-mail. There is no fee to set up your own local members address.

 

[missthe727]

Well, I'm sure the MECP will be sending something out regarding permission to give the candidates access to their local e-lines for the purpose of campaigning. But, unfortunately, no one will be able to do this because things have surely changed this year regarding member access to the e-lines for the purpose of campaigning.

From the looks of the e-mail that was sent to the MEC, no one knew that their local addresses were sent through "Get Active" a non-profit organization that AFA International pays to take care of the e-lines.

When the old MEC was in office, they all controled their own e-lines. Nerver did the USA MEC have International tell them what, or when to post or for any fee. But, within a year, some how, some way, whether knowingly or not, the LECs lost control of their e-lines and gave them to the MEC Webmaster who in turn uses this AFA International "Get Active" controled by AFA Intenational. The entire USA MEC is under the AFA International "ospice" for all USA MEC/LEC communication. Therefore, they are now beholden to the C&B which now will cost individuals $75 to post a campaign letter.

Well, things are now different, and the new MEC has changed things. That is why I quoted the sections from the handbook. I was mistaken about each e-line being paid for separately---my bad !

However the current fact is that each local pays the webmaster a certain amount of hours of flight pay loss. The money used is out of each local budget covered by members dues.

I am glad that this matter has been clarified.

 

[PITbull]

Well, things are now different, and the new MEC has changed things. That is why I quoted the sections from the handbook. I was mistaken about each e-line being paid for separately---my bad !

However the current fact is that each local pays the webmaster a certain amount of hours of flight pay loss. The money used is out of each local budget covered by members dues.

I am glad that this matter has been clarified.

One thing you need to understand which I don't think you do from the read on your posts.

UNION BUSINESS IS CANDIDATES CAMPAIGNING FOR YOUR VOTE TO REPRESENT. Extremely, vital piece of labor organizations.

The budgeted amount given to the webmaster is an item that the MEC chose to budget in NOT International. This is to allow a f/a who is elected to take care of the website to have some fpl. Period. The LECs can allot some pay hours for him/her, OR NOT. The LECs need to take the control from AFA International and set up a new afa address for the members to re-sign up to receive their local e-lines. This way the local has the control back, where it belongs, no fees involved.

 

[songbirdstew]

With all due respect, songbird, in post #19 don't you reprimand someone for name calling? You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

My Bad ! I should not have stooped to Wolf's level !

 

[Bluewater]

My Bad ! I should not have stooped to Wolf's level !

First, Songbuzzard...shut up! Let Ms. KK speak her own mind (what little there is of it) and not use you.
Second, ANY INFORMATION that is posted by BM or KK on the e line about ANYTHING is a back door approach to campaigning. They're getting their names heard. While others have to use the pony express.
You DO have a delete button don't you?
The whole thing smells fishy to me and self serving. Why can't they just give everyone an opportunity to give voice!!? Are they that fearful of an honest contest with equal footing?...guess so!
I have my vote ready regardless of our TEMPORARY leaders approach to make things difficult. I hope my choice wins. If they do, at least they know they did it honestly and with hard work. Not with slimy black door politics. I also plan to tell EVERYONE what these officers are doing.

 

[songbirdstew]

Did you think I wouldn't know who you are or forget the e-mails I received from you when I was in PIT?

So, you know who I am and we all know who you are. If you remember my e-mails from PIT then you will also remember that I was once a huge fan of yours. I was one of the people that yelled the loudest and sent e-mails to mgmt. and AFA Int'l about TG "mysteriously" getting that letter from JG out of your file. You didn't mind my voicing my opinion then. I just can't figure out why you are so interested in this election and why you are screaming so loud about how it is run. You have obviously not moved on since leaving the property.

Since many members still contact me, I interject what I KNOW to be correct. I think it underhanded for the union reps to try to get over on the membership.

It seems that what you "KNOW" about this situation was WRONG. Makes me wonder what else you "KNOW" to be true to not really be so.

No one should cast a vote for any incumbant or "interim" officer who makes the decision to limit communication access to ALL members in their respective base.

Surprise, surprise---the "interim" officers were RIGHT in this matter. You need to realise that things have changed that you are not aware of since you have been here.

With that I will say that you have my e-mail should you wish to contact me. I consider this subject closed.

First, Songbuzzard...shut up! Let Ms. KK speak her own mind (what little there is of it) and not use you.

I am amazed at the people on this board who think they know who my friends are..... I would love to use your crystal ball to tell me what trip I will get next week.

 

[Wolf]

Surprise, surprise---the "interim" officers were RIGHT in this matter. You need to realise that things have changed that you are not aware of since you have been here.

With that I will say that you have my e-mail should you wish to contact me. I consider this subject closed.

No the “interim officers†were not right, none of the officers from the LEC or MEC were right.
Somehow they lost control of their E-line.

That is why this election is so important.

They need someone in PHL to change that, not sit there and agree to it because someone says it’s so.

You are so blinded by the need to see your “dog†win, that you have lost sight of what is good for the Flight Attendants.
(PITbull, really liked that “dog†in this fight statement. I’m sure it went over her head.)

The only thing closed is your mind.

Even if your “dog do†win, she will lose. I guarantee it.

 

[PITbull]

So, you know who I am and we all know who you are. If you remember my e-mails from PIT then you will also remember that I was once a huge fan of yours. I was one of the people that yelled the loudest and sent e-mails to mgmt. and AFA Int'l about TG "mysteriously" getting that letter from JG out of your file. You didn't mind my voicing my opinion then. I just can't figure out why you are so interested in this election and why you are screaming so loud about how it is run. You have obviously not moved on since leaving the property.
It seems that what you "KNOW" about this situation was WRONG. Makes me wonder what else you "KNOW" to be true to not really be so.
Surprise, surprise---the "interim" officers were RIGHT in this matter. You need to realise that things have changed that you are not aware of since you have been here.

With that I will say that you have my e-mail should you wish to contact me. I consider this subject closed.
I am amazed at the people on this board who think they know who my friends are..... I would love to use your crystal ball to tell me what trip I will get next week.

Songbird,

I took the VFLR; I did not resign myself from this forum. I have been a member on this forum, speaking my mind for the past five years.

When I learn of something that is egregious in my view, and there is no objection from anyone, no investigation as to how and why, motivates me to shine-a-light on the issue. From the information that I received, I took the bull by the horns.

Bottom line, the MEC members allowed themselves to be shamooed this past year by handing their e-line to a webmaster who in turn used a venue from AFA International.

The remedy is that the LECs need to start over with a new sign-up of their e-lines on their websites and have their members send it to a new AFA local address where the LECs can put it in the local address book; not International.

But, I can guarantee you that there will be LECs who don't want to take the time to redo the addresses and send out their own e-lines without the webmaster (middle man) and they won't set this up. As long as it remains the way it is today, the members who run for office and anyone in the future who wants to run will get charged for usng the e-line, and the LECs e-lines will be proofed and approved by International which is just unncecessary.

If you gleamed anything from our conversations, or learned anything from me, you would know that I have always moved fiercely to give the MEMBERS more control of THEIR UNION, more knowledge on what is going on around them, and how they can make the union take a new direction and make the difference through communication exchanges and consistant information. I see that slowly slipping away.

Putting friendships aside, if the folks you support don't foster the premise of giving full disclosure, or would rather be silent or be lead by others on an issue, you are supporting the wrong team.

 

[ganesha]

John McCorkle running for AFA PHL President.... What a joke!

How many times has he called it the a** of F/A's in his newsletters? He's just pi**ed that LA was run out because she saved his a** so many times from being fired for eating the first class pax meals, among other things.....my opinion he's just trying to swing the vote so TG doesn't get hired. oops I mean elected.

 

[PITbull]

If anyone votes for John McC. it would be the same as putting back in LA.

 

[Wolf]

LEC PRESIDENT:

Alfred Fiore

Celine Gaffney-DeLuca

Terry Graf

Lee Herring Jr.

John McCorkle Jr.

Brian Morgan

Andrew Perkins


LEC VICE PRESIDENT:

Michael Elias

Grace Jones

Kimberly Kaswinkel


LEC SECRETARY:

Donna Ford

Joshua Freeze

Joseph Kammerer

Janet Linton

Brian Oprisko

Daniel Sampey


Here they are. Who should I vote for and why?

 

[flygirl74]

How many times has he called it the a** of F/A's in his newsletters? He's just pi**ed that LA was run out because she saved his a** so many times from being fired for eating the first class pax meals, among other things.....my opinion he's just trying to swing the vote so TG doesn't get hired. oops I mean elected.
[/quote]

The reason John is running for office is because he is TIRED of the mismanagement. LA didn't have to "save" his a**, she wasn't even in office when John was suspended(with pay) when David Castleveter(our corporate company spokesman at the time)accused John of forcing his newsletter on him. Mollie was in office at the time and couldn't rep for John since she was in Fla. TX wanted to accompany John to the meeting and he allowed her as A WITNESS ONLY. He would do the talking. John showed that David WAS signed up for the newsletter on a company domain address UNKNOWN to the company. John also sent his newsletters via a CA based server and was able to show when David signed up and received many newsletters form John. The case was thrown out once John(not TX or anyone else)showed that David lied.
John was unsuspended( or whatever you call it) and paid back pay for the 2 trips missed.

 

[ganesha]

RE: who are they

LEC PRES - Between Terry and Andy. You pick. The rest are wasting their time. You decide.

VP Hard choice. All newbies. KK was friendly with LA.

SEC So many.

LEC REP who the heck are these people?