Local 70 Nominations- so Many!

[songbirdstew]

This is UNION BUSINESS, E-lines are used for UNION business NOT company business! Company business is in your electronic mail file when you check-in OR on theHUB.

Who would you suggest then would be the person responsible for proof reading these candidates e-lines and getting them typed in and dealing with the whole situation ? The present officers are running also so who should take on this task ? Who would decide how long the resume could be---or would you allow someone to write their own version of a War and Peace resume ? There would have to be some kind of cut off date to when the resumes had to be sent in, etc.
Whose would be sent out first ? Would it be by senority? Would it be in alphabetical order ?
There are too many variables if you ask me and this would open a whole can of worms where the candidates would be calling foul on each other.....
Just go with the old way and tell them all to head to the print shop and stuff mailboxes.......why does this have to be so difficult ?

 

[Wolf]

Who would you suggest then would be the person responsible for proof reading these candidates e-lines and getting them typed in and dealing with the whole situation ? The present officers are running also so who should take on this task ? Who would decide how long the resume could be---or would you allow someone to write their own version of a War and Peace resume ? There would have to be some kind of cut off date to when the resumes had to be sent in, etc.
Whose would be sent out first ? Would it be by senority? Would it be in alphabetical order ?
There are too many variables if you ask me and this would open a whole can of worms where the candidates would be calling foul on each other.....
Just go with the old way and tell them all to head to the print shop and stuff mailboxes.......why does this have to be so difficult ?

Hey Duck Soup,

It does not have to be difficult.

The candidates should be capable of proof reading.

They can E-mail their respective resume's which don't require anyone to type, just forward.

I know it's Crazy, but maybe, just maybe the candidates can decide the length.
War and Peace won't be read effectively, but that's up to them.

It's an E-mail! Delete it if you feel it's too long.

Send them out when received, every candidate gets one.
No cut off date, send one if you want.

If the current secretary can't forward mass E-mail, they should not be running for that position.

It's 2007. Effective communication has come a long way.

I'd like to know as much as possible about the candidates before I vote.

Are you an elected Officer?

 

[PITbull]

Put your head on straight, sister, and snap out of it!


This is an election campaign. One of, if not the most important union business there is. Get over being bombarded. YOU should want to know who is running and who will be responsible to defend and negotiate your working life for the next few years.

Its the same as the US Presidential 2008 elections. What are you going to do when all 20 or 30 candidates run for the presidency...keep the TV off, don't look at the newspapers, shut your internet OFF cause you head just can't take all the information??????

What's the problem? Too much information for some of these folks to consider for christ's sake?????

This is the typical union response that creates union apathy. Maybe that's just what you want. This way, stupid leaders can get in and sink the union even lower than it is currently!

You guys better start paying attention to what's going on. Otherwise your leadership will run-a-muck with no accountability, committement other than self, or responsibility for good representation that deserves some respect.

Unless your one of the incumbants running and don't want to deal with putting out the info on the local e-line due to just being lazy...then I would view you as part of the problem.

The voting members have to start raising their standards with who represents them. Knowing how a candidate writes, communicates, organizes their thoughts and voicing the direction the MEC is something every single member should be focused on.

ALL DETAILS before taking that educated vote. And all should be voting, not the same 10% that votes and the rest just feels to overwhelmed with having to think for a change.

Phlidelphia base members specifically should be focused on these up coming elections as they have the biggest numbers and their leadership pretty much has the capacity in moving in a direction in negotiating and challenging the company's position. Hopefully, the person elected can step up to the plate and truly be an intelligent voice for others.

 

[songbirdstew]

Hey Duck Soup,

It does not have to be difficult.

The candidates should be capable of proof reading.

They can E-mail their respective resume's which don't require anyone to type, just forward.

I know it's Crazy, but maybe, just maybe the candidates can decide the length.
War and Peace won't be read effectively, but that's up to them.

It's an E-mail! Delete it if you feel it's too long.

Send them out when received, every candidate gets one.
No cut off date, send one if you want.

If the current secretary can't forward mass E-mail, they should not be running for that position.

It's 2007. Effective communication has come a long way.

I'd like to know as much as possible about the candidates before I vote.

Are you an elected Officer?

It's sad that you have to resort to name calling in your responses. I have seen you do it in the past and now, lucky me, I am part of that club. To answer your question, no, I am not an elected official. I have however held appointed union positions during the course of my career.

It is my opinion that the e-line should be used for AFA business only...if you want to campaign, pay the 75 bucks and do so through the International office as the latest Council 70 e-line says...

If a candidate running for elected office wants to use the AFA Computer Forum they must send the information to membership services at the AFA-CWA International Office in Washington, D.C. After the content of the letter is reviewed and approved, it will be sent to Jim Bowen of AFA/CWA International Communications and then sent out via the AFA-CWA International email. The subject header delivered via this email service will clearly state that the email is "Candidate Material" not an e-line and that it has been paid for by the candidate as there is a charge for this service. The AFA Constitution and Bylaws has been amended to provide that AFA candidates, for union office, may use AFA's computer forum. However, at no time may such use be financed by AFA or Company funds. The information I have provided here has been confirmed through the AFA-CWA International Office. Should a member running for an LEC Officer position and be interested in using this program please contact the AFA-CWA International office for additional information.

Plus I think to send resumes through the local office would be a conflict of interest since those officers are also running. OK---they did in in PIT with SIX, yes I got it right this time, SIX officers...so what, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

In addition, just curious....you posted "Got a friend in the Dept of L&I and I will be speaking to him Monday."
What advice did he give you ????

 

[missthe727]

Pitbull,

Are candidates really allowed access to the e line, or is that something the current lecp can decide?

Perhaps, I can help out here. Every eline that is sent by AFA local 70 is charged for, those aren't free, regardless of what the eline pertains too. Members dues at Council 70 pay for each e-line that goes out.

Sending out campaign materials on a AFA local 70 eline is violating section D article VIII.D 3 of the Local Union Officer Election Handbook, sent out to each candidate. (see below)

Just because PIT did it one time, does NOT make the following null and void. In fact these rules were in play back then, so I am not sure how it was allowed. The following is an fyi for you:

Section D article VIII.D 3 of the Local Union Officer Election Handbook

Use of Electronic Communication

Members campaigning for AFA officer positions may wish to use computer forums to address issues with voting members. The use of computer forums is a legally acceptable means to provide information regarding candidates and to exchange information regarding candidates,as long as company or union funds are not being used to make use of the forum. The AFA C & B has been amended to provide that AFA candidates for union office may use the AFA's computer forum. However, at no time may such use be financed by AFA or Company funds.

The above section is why there is a $75 charge and it goes through the International office. This is to protect the members from inappropriate use of OUR dues !!!

The next article, VIII.D.2

Prohibited AFA Assistance

AFA's Constitution specifically prohibits the use of union funds, facilities, material or equipment (including use of union offices, Xerox machines, telephones, letterhead or newsletters) to promote anyone's candidacy for local office. Use of telephone lists (and unlisted numbers) where such lists are not available to the entire membership is not permitted. Current office holders must pay careful attention to the separation of their required duties and campaign activities. This separation applies both to candidates and campaign workers.

So, if Local 70 pays for each e-line with it's own union funds, you are asking the current interim LECP to violate the above articles by allowing the candidates to do so.
I applaud him for knowing this information, standing up and saying no !

As a paying union member I agree with whoever said it here----Tell the candidates to buck up and pay their 75 bucks--- I don't want my dues paying for it and we should not allow it now because another base did it a few years back.
That was a whole other ball game than this election is.

 

[songbirdstew]

WOW, just read TG got 67 nominations! Good. I think she is the best person to guide us through right now.
I can't anyone at the AFA either anymore. Call the members of the MEC since they appointed the new people. I think the contact info is on the AFA website under MEC?
Goodluck

Another WOW-- I called there twice last week and the phone was answered promptly. First time, they took my number and called back within 30 minutes. Second time she answered the phone, answered my question and I was done in about 5 minutes....perhaps you have the wrong number number for the local office ???

 

[Wolf]

It's sad that you have to resort to name calling in your responses. I have seen you do it in the past and now, lucky me, I am part of that club. To answer your question, no, I am not an elected official. I have however held appointed union positions during the course of my career.

It is my opinion that the e-line should be used for AFA business only...if you want to campaign, pay the 75 bucks and do so through the International office as the latest Council 70 e-line says...

If a candidate running for elected office wants to use the AFA Computer Forum they must send the information to membership services at the AFA-CWA International Office in Washington, D.C. After the content of the letter is reviewed and approved, it will be sent to Jim Bowen of AFA/CWA International Communications and then sent out via the AFA-CWA International email. The subject header delivered via this email service will clearly state that the email is "Candidate Material" not an e-line and that it has been paid for by the candidate as there is a charge for this service. The AFA Constitution and Bylaws has been amended to provide that AFA candidates, for union office, may use AFA's computer forum. However, at no time may such use be financed by AFA or Company funds. The information I have provided here has been confirmed through the AFA-CWA International Office. Should a member running for an LEC Officer position and be interested in using this program please contact the AFA-CWA International office for additional information.

Plus I think to send resumes through the local office would be a conflict of interest since those officers are also running. OK---they did in in PIT with SIX, yes I got it right this time, SIX officers...so what, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

In addition, just curious....you posted "Got a friend in the Dept of L&I and I will be speaking to him Monday."
What advice did he give you ????

birdstew,

Did speak with my friend briefly.

He said he thought songbirdstew and Duck Soup were relatively close so that would not be considered name calling.

Said to tell you to tell KK that if she continues to campaign while working on the Local's dime, he will be so far up the Local's rear end they will see him when they brush their teeth.

(It's actually the Teamsters that upset him.)

That E-line was put out by Brian Morgan and Kim Kaswinkle.

Why they don't want to allow other candidates to use this method of communication is apparent.

They are walking a fine line and are at risk.

So far the only think you have said that is correct is they have a "conflict of interest".

That's all I need for L&I.

 

[PITbull]

Plus I think to send resumes through the local office would be a conflict of interest since those officers are also running. OK---they did in in PIT with SIX, yes I got it right this time, SIX officers...so what, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

In addition, just curious....you posted "Got a friend in the Dept of L&I and I will be speaking to him Monday."
What advice did he give you ????

Do you realize what you just posted???? A conflict of interest to send out a campaign letter using the E-line because the "interim" officers are running? A conflict of interest for whom???? the LECs?

THE NEW ELECTIONS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE MEMBERSHIP. THE INTERIM ELECT ARE JUST THAT...INTERIM. PERIOD.

EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME ACCESS TO THE MEMBERSHIP EQUAL AND FAIR. No incumbent, interim appointed officer(s) or candidate should have more access or should anyone prevent communication access.

Just where have you been? And under what local did someone appoint you to represent? Do you have any idea how a democratic election process works??????

I just hope you are not one of the "interim officers" and if you were ever in some post, I just hope someone had the sense to throw you out.

What a mind-set!

BTW, the MECP stated in numerous e-mails to a person who inquired included some mec members that the "charge" was in error. It was forwarded to me. I will be happy to post it.

 

[songbirdstew]

BTW, the MECP stated in numerous e-mails to a person who inquired included some mec members that the "charge" was in error. It was forwarded to me. I will be happy to post it.

Please go right ahead and do post it. I would like to see the information that you are writing about. I do have to ask though, didn't you take the voluntary furlough over a year ago ? You wrote us that letter about how it was time to move on. It was such a sad and tearful goodbye.....

Why are you still so involved in this process and why are you so concerned about this election ? As a matter of fact, when I look at most of the posts on this thread, you are the one FREAKING about this !

Out of the 2000 members in PHL, you are not even on the property anymore and you are screaming the loudest.....care to tell us all why ????

Why they don't want to allow other candidates to use this method of communication is apparent.

They are walking a fine line and are at risk.

As for you Mrs. Big Bad Wolf,
Are you going to huff and puff until you get your way and force the Local 70 to spam their own members with candidates resumes??
This is starting to get hysterical !!!

 

[Itestwell]

As for you Mrs. Big Bad Wolf,
Are you going to huff and puff until you get your way and force the Local 70 to spam their own members with candidates resumes??
This is starting to get hysterical !!!
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With all due respect, songbird, in post #19 don't you reprimand someone for name calling? You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

I for one would like to allow all of the candidates access to the e line, whatever that may entail. I think they should have an electronic avenue to tell us about themselves. If we can VOTE new officers in via electronics, why cannot they campaign that way?

 

[PITbull]

Perhaps, I can help out here. Every eline that is sent by AFA local 70 is charged for, those aren't free, regardless of what the eline pertains too. Members dues at Council 70 pay for each e-line that goes out.

Sending out campaign materials on a AFA local 70 eline is violating section D article VIII.D 3 of the Local Union Officer Election Handbook, sent out to each candidate. (see below)

Just because PIT did it one time, does NOT make the following null and void. In fact these rules were in play back then, so I am not sure how it was allowed. The following is an fyi for you:

Section D article VIII.D 3 of the Local Union Officer Election Handbook

Use of Electronic Communication

Members campaigning for AFA officer positions may wish to use computer forums to address issues with voting members. The use of computer forums is a legally acceptable means to provide information regarding candidates and to exchange information regarding candidates,as long as company or union funds are not being used to make use of the forum. The AFA C & B has been amended to provide that AFA candidates for union office may use the AFA's computer forum. However, at no time may such use be financed by AFA or Company funds.

The above section is why there is a $75 charge and it goes through the International office. This is to protect the members from inappropriate use of OUR dues !!!

The next article, VIII.D.2

Prohibited AFA Assistance

AFA's Constitution specifically prohibits the use of union funds, facilities, material or equipment (including use of union offices, Xerox machines, telephones, letterhead or newsletters) to promote anyone's candidacy for local office. Use of telephone lists (and unlisted numbers) where such lists are not available to the entire membership is not permitted. Current office holders must pay careful attention to the separation of their required duties and campaign activities. This separation applies both to candidates and campaign workers.

So, if Local 70 pays for each e-line with it's own union funds, you are asking the current interim LECP to violate the above articles by allowing the candidates to do so.
I applaud him for knowing this information, standing up and saying no !

As a paying union member I agree with whoever said it here----Tell the candidates to buck up and pay their 75 bucks--- I don't want my dues paying for it and we should not allow it now because another base did it a few years back.
That was a whole other ball game than this election is.

Your information is emphatically incorrect. the AFA Communication Forum is on the Intenational level, not local e-lines. THe criteria for campaigning on the local level and using venues of communication is that all candidates must have fair and equal access. Just because the LECP doesn't want to use the e-lines for campaigning doesn't make it right for him/her to decide. Every piece of communication today is electronically done , from unions down to coproations.

The local candidates do not need anyone to proof their campaigning material. No International personnel has the right to determine what goes out and in what form. The members will proof it and decide if this is the candidate they want to represent them. Period.

You are wrong. Please contact the MECP for information regarding local e-lines. There is no cost. NONE.

And I would know!!!!

 

[Wolf]

As for you Mrs. Big Bad Wolf,
Are you going to huff and puff until you get your way and force the Local 70 to spam their own members with candidates resumes??
This is starting to get hysterical !!!

Dear songbirdstew,

I don’t huff and I don’t puff.

I do however follow thru.

If you feel the candidates resumes are Spam, don’t read them.

If you think I’m kidding about L&I, have your friend continue to do what she has done.
I’ll decide the approach to her antics, depending on how this election is conducted.

To your credit, once again you find some truth, you are hysterical.

 

[PITbull]

Please go right ahead and do post it. I would like to see the information that you are writing about. I do have to ask though, didn't you take the voluntary furlough over a year ago ? You wrote us that letter about how it was time to move on. It was such a sad and tearful goodbye.....

Why are you still so involved in this process and why are you so concerned about this election ? As a matter of fact, when I look at most of the posts on this thread, you are the one FREAKING about this !

Out of the 2000 members in PHL, you are not even on the property anymore and you are screaming the loudest.....care to tell us all why ????
As for you Mrs. Big Bad Wolf,
Are you going to huff and puff until you get your way and force the Local 70 to spam their own members with candidates resumes??
This is starting to get hysterical !!!

Seems to me you have a "dog" in this fight. Did you think I wouldn't know who you are or forget the e-mails I received from you when I was in PIT?

Since many members still contact me, I interject what I KNOW to be correct. I think it underhanded for the union reps to try to get over on the membership.

I think you need to go back and defer to Mike F. HE will tell you just what I have been posting.

If any LECP does not permit use of the local e-lines for all candidates regardless if they chose not to use it for their reeclection campaign should not receive ONE damn vote from their membership, and should be tossed out like the rest who "self served" and pushed to the "way-side".

Denying or restricting access giving the membership full access to the candidates so that they may make a logical and intelligent decision for electing the best rep is just plain wrong. These types should suffer consequences for inhibiting access that will allow the members to make the right choice for representation.

No one should cast a vote for any incumbant or "interim" officer who makes the decision to limit communication access to ALL members in their respective base.

 

[Wolf]

Perhaps, I can help out here. Every eline that is sent by AFA local 70 is charged for, those aren't free, regardless of what the eline pertains too. Members dues at Council 70 pay for each e-line that goes out.

Sending out campaign materials on a AFA local 70 eline is violating section D article VIII.D 3 of the Local Union Officer Election Handbook, sent out to each candidate. (see below)

Just because PIT did it one time, does NOT make the following null and void. In fact these rules were in play back then, so I am not sure how it was allowed. The following is an fyi for you:

Section D article VIII.D 3 of the Local Union Officer Election Handbook

Use of Electronic Communication

Members campaigning for AFA officer positions may wish to use computer forums to address issues with voting members. The use of computer forums is a legally acceptable means to provide information regarding candidates and to exchange information regarding candidates,as long as company or union funds are not being used to make use of the forum. The AFA C & B has been amended to provide that AFA candidates for union office may use the AFA's computer forum. However, at no time may such use be financed by AFA or Company funds.

The above section is why there is a $75 charge and it goes through the International office. This is to protect the members from inappropriate use of OUR dues !!!

The next article, VIII.D.2

Prohibited AFA Assistance

AFA's Constitution specifically prohibits the use of union funds, facilities, material or equipment (including use of union offices, Xerox machines, telephones, letterhead or newsletters) to promote anyone's candidacy for local office. Use of telephone lists (and unlisted numbers) where such lists are not available to the entire membership is not permitted. Current office holders must pay careful attention to the separation of their required duties and campaign activities. This separation applies both to candidates and campaign workers.

So, if Local 70 pays for each e-line with it's own union funds, you are asking the current interim LECP to violate the above articles by allowing the candidates to do so.
I applaud him for knowing this information, standing up and saying no !

As a paying union member I agree with whoever said it here----Tell the candidates to buck up and pay their 75 bucks--- I don't want my dues paying for it and we should not allow it now because another base did it a few years back.
That was a whole other ball game than this election is.

Not sure how to respond to this one outside of you can’t help and your naiveté is of historic proportion.

 

[Itestwell]

missthe727,

Exactly how much does it cost the Local to send out an eline? I thought the whole idea behind the e line was that it is much cheaper than paper correspondence? Why is there a fee each time an eline is sent out, and who is paid the fee? This is bananas....