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The TA passed! Awesome huh?
Letter from Jim LittleRE:JudgeLane’s Ruling /APAContract
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we have TWU Local 514 AMT's with less than 10 years of seniority calling the VOTE NO Presidents and are now concerned because they were told voting yes would save their job and now the truth filters out they are going to be laid-off soon. And angry isn't even a close description.
Classic TWU
T/A ? I'm sure you know it was manipulated. Should we feel proud of how TWU handle this? We need a real union, this is our problem.
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The TA passed Dave. Wish it had been the May 2010 TA but the vote no coalition screwed that up.
Namaste Dave. It's over and hopefully we reopen in four years without Bob and his gang of liars.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we have TWU Local 514 AMT's with less than 10 years of seniority calling the VOTE NO Presidents and are now concerned because they were told voting yes would save their job and now the truth filters out they are going to be laid-off soon. And angry isn't even a close description.
You mean they're calling the VOTE NO Presidents (Owens, Peterson, JR, etc) who's crystal balls told them rejecting the 2010 T/A was going to lead them to a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and the Judge's revocation of our contract wasn't a problem - give me a break. You're not really that gullible are you? Maybe you are!
You mean they're calling the VOTE NO Presidents (Owens, Peterson, JR, etc) who's crystal balls told them rejecting the 2010 T/A was going to lead them to a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and the Judge's revocation of our contract wasn't a problem - give me a break. You're not really that gullible are you? Maybe you are!
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It passed and a real union is lead by people who tell the truth and understand the implications of their actions. They don't throw less senior members under the bus so they can get their geo-pay or snap back plus like Ruiz.
That was written in Okie. Sorry.
Not promoting TWU, AMFA or IBT.
Due to the fleet modernization most of these jobs will be done away with.
In the very short future Line and AO need to put differences aside and unite.
If this does not happen we might as well be without a Union, Delta is doing ok.
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No Dumbass. Quit deflecting attention away from the point. Which is that a TWU Local 514 member followed you, and voted yes under the premise that her job would be saved by voting yes. The yes votes won, and now she is crying because after the fact, now Hewitt admits in the Tulsa World that she will lose her job and she was lied too.
I would not be suprised to find out that it was the Recording Secretary running around with her laptop the last night of voting garnering the finaly votes needed while James C Little monitored the vote count live and reported in how many he needed, that actually misled this member.
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really think about what you just said, take your time, I will wait......
it is so obvious, i will not respond
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What does 1113 have to do with the ability to strike or not? Show me the language in 1113 where it says that Unions cant strike if the contract is abrogated. The intent of 1113 which covers all labor agreements, not just the airlines was to give labor contracts additional protection in C-11, not the opposite. Come on, you went through it twice and you still dont know what happened to you? I know this happened after you guys rolled over twice but what happened was the NWA FA's were set to strike, the BK judge said "OK go ahead", after all everyone else is free to withdraw their services upon abrogation, the airline then sought an injunction in another court which was granted, the union appealed and the appellate court said that the Judge who issued the Injunction screwed up on his reasoning for issuing the injunction but made up a whole new excuse to sustain the injunction. And thats where it stands today, the decision was really screwed up, show it to any lawyer that knows the RLA and guaranteed he will say that the legal reasoning is flawed but it has never been challenged. How the heck can the government single out one group of workers, one single group of creditors, compelling them to provide their product at rates they did not agree to where the court even admits that they do not look equally at both parties interests? Its obscene and it needs to be challenged, Airline Workers are the only workers where this restriction applies, whats even worse is it directly conflicts with the RLA. What the appelate court declared is that in the case of airlines its not really an abrogation, its an annulment. Abrogation recognizes the existance of of contract and terminates that contract, annullment means that the contract never existsed, usually this happens when the court finds that the contract was illegal, or improperly enterred into, that was the only way the court could get around the RLA, furthermore C-1167 says that workers under the Railway Labor act can not have their contracts abrogated in BK, that the only way to change the contract is through Sect 6, however even prior to the reforms of 1113 some court decided that does not apply to Airlines, thats why Continentals Pilots were allowed to strike in 1983 and the Flight Attendants were not in 2007. These is basically Judicial Activism, where convoluted interpretations of the law create new laws that are nowhere near the intended purpose of the legislative branches of the government. It was an attack on the airlines and labors failure to respond to that attack has lead to even bolder attacks such as what we see in Wisconson and Ohio.
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I have heard this from more than one person.
