LAX Maintenance Town Hall 2/24/15

[Overspeed]

2ndGENAMT,
You should actually read the scope clause. What you believe is far from the truth. The language restricts outsourcing to 35% of the total of direct labor + material + outsourcing. Management is not included. Also, the language on outsourcing restricts AA to specific work that could be initially outsourced then only peak work can be sent out up to the 35%. AA is already at 25%. Most of the reductions now are driven by old aircraft being replaced by new ones. DL is better? Show the DL language that says they cannot outsource the remainder of engines? There isn't any scope or limits so if you are saying you want DL's heavy maintenance concepts in our CBA scope clause, Dougie will love you for it.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

If they want to do the right thing why not give us retro for the raise since the NMB is wasting time or is unable to make a decision. With all the political clout AA has why not tell the NMB to get off their arse and make a decision. I say because every month that goes by is another month they don't have to pay us and blame it on the union or the NMB they are full of sit.
 
The prefunding answer another BS excuse. If the retirees prefunded their own medical why the hell do they need my money. Liars and crooks but they promise you the world as they bend you over.
 
KEEP HELPING THEM OUT....
 
for the lowest pay in the industry 1990 wages....

 

[topDawg]

Thanks for the info Dawg..Growing up in College Park I have a lot of friends that rely on the health of DL and it seems that the operations there are ran somewhat effectively.

Glad I can help
 

You say DL works smaller items just curious what that includes, we still do O2 and extinguishers, misc valves, starters, CSD slides and an assortment of small components but some of that work is for the most part drying up with MD 80 and 757 retirements and we may or may not do the new fleets unless we can bid competitively which is why I believe our Scope is so weak no matter what Overspeed says

Things such as blade and vanes, umm, fuel pumps, hydro pumps, IFE, Cockpit seats, lie-flat seats, Chillers, coffee makers, wheel and brakes. 
 
All kind of components. I am not sure if we do emergency slides in-house or not. 
 

..Our Scope is no better than what DL has the only difference is we pay the TWU well for it!

I wouldn't say that. Your scope is keeping work we lost in-house. Airframe overhauls being a big part of it. IIRC you can outsource only up to 35% spend. Delta does around 45%. 
 

They probably bid MRO work heavily with Global labor rates but I am sure they wouldn't hesitate to put DL techs on any job that needed it.

Not at all. Contractors do help but for the most part its Delta people. 
 

It would be interesting to see how DL Global rates compare to our OSM rate as my father makes $32 hr at global with no benefits.

We have MUEs and ASMs which I think are like your OSMs. 
 
FWIW I don't have a problem with ASMs (Aircraft Support Mechanics) as long as they have limits on the number of them. Same thing with MUE. Do we really need to have A&Ps cleaning parts? nah. We generally have a few ASMs in the bays then almost all the cabin guys (they have their own dept, generally they are laying the floor and painting bins and thats about all they do) are ASMs. ASMs started out as "helpers" which was a way to 1) get your A&P or 2) have a job turning wrenches while you went to school. It expanded in BK but for the most part they have kept a cap on it. 
And they have said a lot of the shops that are most ASM would be gone if they had to staff them with AMTs. Things like wheel and brake shop and the galley shop wouldn't be economically possible.  
 
If seats come out of an airplane I have only seen AMTs do it. (at least in the post overhaul world) 
 
As it is I think the ASMs make around 60K a year or so. I'll find the pay rates and post them tomorrow. 

 

[Buck]

2ndGENAMT,
You should actually read the scope clause. What you believe is far from the truth. The language restricts outsourcing to 35% of the total of direct labor + material + outsourcing. Management is not included. Also, the language on outsourcing restricts AA to specific work that could be initially outsourced then only peak work can be sent out up to the 35%. AA is already at 25%. Most of the reductions now are driven by old aircraft being replaced by new ones. DL is better? Show the DL language that says they cannot outsource the remainder of engines? There isn't any scope or limits so if you are saying you want DL's heavy maintenance concepts in our CBA scope clause, Dougie will love you for it.

Overspeed, you keep falling back tot he contract and now the Scope within. Where is our Gain Sharing Program?

 

[Overspeed]

Overspeed, you keep falling back tot he contract and now the Scope within. Where is our Gain Sharing Program?

I know! Where is our gain sharing program? Last I heard of it was the ATD filed a grievance over a year ago due to the company's stalling.

 

[MetalMover]

I watched the video. I was waiting to see that same GSE mechanic from the last LAX town hall meeting who told DP that he was paying aircraft mechanics 40 an hour to fix stands..and that work should be given to his group.
All in all this was a good meeting because the good questions were asked and not so much "We need new oil buckets."

 

[MetalMover]

 
We have MUEs and ASMs which I think are like your OSMs. 
 
FWIW I don't have a problem with ASMs (Aircraft Support Mechanics) as long as they have limits on the number of them. Same thing with MUE. Do we really need to have A&Ps cleaning parts? nah. We generally have a few ASMs in the bays then almost all the cabin guys (they have their own dept, generally they are laying the floor and painting bins and thats about all they do) are ASMs. ASMs started out as "helpers" which was a way to 1) get your A&P or 2) have a job turning wrenches while you went to school. It expanded in BK but for the most part they have kept a cap on it. 
And they have said a lot of the shops that are most ASM would be gone if they had to staff them with AMTs. Things like wheel and brake shop and the galley shop wouldn't be economically possible.  
 
If seats come out of an airplane I have only seen AMTs do it. (at least in the post overhaul world) 
 
As it is I think the ASMs make around 60K a year or so. I'll find the pay rates and post them tomorrow. 

Dawg...Does DL have these MUE's or ASM's working interior items at a station like JFK?
And you are correct that an A&P in not needed to clean parts or work cabin times. The problem is that the TWU has agreed to giving many mechanic functions away WITHOUT getting anything substantial in return......Contract after contract after contract after...............

 

[DallasConehead]

Anyone else notice how much Ruiz likes to hear himself bloviate?  Man oh man, we are screwed with people like that as representatives. The guy could barely make a point.

 

[Overspeed]

DallasConehead,
Define bloviate?
 
I do remember his awesome input in the videos from the vote no coalition. Kind of surprising he is unaware of whether or not Lombardo heard from AA, or why the Association and our contract is held up. Didn't he vote with the 591 Exec Board to pay Seham to block it?

 

[Overspeed]

MetalMover,
I see on the FAA Repair Station database the following about Delta.
 
http://av-info.faa.gov/repairstation.asp?certno=DALR026A
 

Certificated Mechanics: 4720

Repairmen: 103

Non-Certificated Mechanics: 703

 

[DallasConehead]

DallasConehead,
Define bloviate?
 
I do remember his awesome input in the videos from the vote no coalition. Kind of surprising he is unaware of whether or not Lombardo heard from AA, or why the Association and our contract is held up. Didn't he vote with the 591 Exec Board to pay Seham to block it?

Bloviate: talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
 
It seems to me he should know the answers to his questions and so, as usual, they were rhetorical, strictly for the memberships benefit.
 
I seem to remember seeing Isom's reply to "Harry". And everyone knows the contract is held up because the NMB has hold of the ass., and we all know GP threw a wrench into the workings with his bloviation.  Whats more. GP will keep on working to block and put everything in court for no good reason other then to piss away the locals bank on lawyering up, and to make any union other then the one he wants look impotent, which btw, they are.
 
I have no idea how his vote went for Seham. Enlighten me....

 

[MetalMover]

Bloviate: talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
 
It seems to me he should know the answers to his questions and so, as usual, they were rhetorical, strictly for the memberships benefit.
 
I seem to remember seeing Isom's reply to "Harry". And everyone knows the contract is held up because the NMB has hold of the ass., and we all know GP threw a wrench into the workings with his bloviation.  Whats more. GP will keep on working to block and put everything in court for no good reason other then to piss away the locals bank on lawyering up, and to make any union other then the one he wants look impotent, which btw, they are.
 
I have no idea how his vote went for Seham. Enlighten me....

When's the next 591 election?

 

[JABORD]

Anyone else notice how much Ruiz likes to hear himself bloviate?  Man oh man, we are screwed with people like that as representatives. The guy could barely make a point.

  

Bloviate: talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
 
It seems to me he should know the answers to his questions and so, as usual, they were rhetorical, strictly for the memberships benefit.
 
I seem to remember seeing Isom's reply to "Harry". And everyone knows the contract is held up because the NMB has hold of the ass., and we all know GP threw a wrench into the workings with his bloviation.  Whats more. GP will keep on working to block and put everything in court for no good reason other then to piss away the locals bank on lawyering up, and to make any union other then the one he wants look impotent, which btw, they are.
 
I have no idea how his vote went for Seham. Enlighten me....

Such a 'smart feller' with nothing better to contribute other than be critical of personalities? So easy to hide and throw crap out to see what sticks.

 

[JABORD]

When's the next 591 election?

So let me ask again, some of you believe we missed an opportunity by not putting Fat Don in office?

 

[MetalMover]

So let me ask again, some of you believe we missed an opportunity by not putting Fat Don in office?

Absolutely not. But sooner or later GP will have to sit down at negotiations even if the BS association is allowed and voted in...then his priority needs to be in negotiations being the voice of the line mechanic. I want him in there fighting on our behalf rather than being on the outside fighting.