Larry Pike of 567 FIRED ?

[Overspeed]

Is this all you got? Really?? Speaks Volumes!!!

Yep that's it. Just that the APA, SWAPA, and USAPA have all fired Seham for being lousy and overcharging. Why did Seham hire an attorney to protect him from being disbarred when USAPA questioned his bills? Because he is guilty?

Your ignorance of the facts speaks volumes.

 

[Bob Owens]

Your hero is a real winner Bob! The DPA ditched him because he is crook! Can't wait until he sends the bill to Pike. Did the members authorize that expense?

"Finally, concerns over Mr. Seham's billing practices were coming to light. Although, by his own admission, we had substantially reduced our use of his firm during the late spring and summer, Seham's bills were actually increasing. At this point we became aware of the overbilling problems the Southwest pilots had encountered with Seham. Scrutiny of the bills produced more questions than answers and we sought professional advice to protect the organization. Many firms specializing in auditing legal bills were contacted and interviewed. Preliminary reviews by auditors told us that the Seham bills were "un-auditable", "some of the most uninformative invoices ever seen", and "a significant deviation from the standard bills law firms submit". This preliminary indication that there may have been irregularities in Seham's billing practices with USAPA is a situation that the Board has a responsibility to look into. And so, faced with these allegations, I recommended that the Board authorize an audit of all of our legal bills, which is under way. Unfortunately, after eight weeks of asking the Seham firm for the information necessary to audit the bills, not a single shred of the requested information has been forthcoming. Zero."​

My Hero? More accusations? I said you have a problem with him, more like an obsession. Why? Were you screwed over by him? I said what I knew, one of my coworkers hired him years ago, after being told by the Union that he was toast and they didnt think they could get him his job back, well he got his job back. Yea those Unions got rid of him, probably to score goody points with the AFL-CIO. One member of this ATD accused me of putting my name to stuff that they claim he wrote, thus my signature. Another guy with an obsession against Sehamm. He claimed I wasnt smart enough to write what I wrote and that Leee Seham was writing it. false. Once again, why this obsession with Sehamm? I have no contact with him, met him many years ago but thats it. When I sued the International I didnt hire him, but I did have to shop around for a lawyer because any Lawyer who wants to work for an AFL-CIO union cant take part in a lawsuit by a member against an affiliated union, or that lawyer will be Black balled. Is that what this is really about? Are you so obsessed with Sehamm because you were told to be? If you werent screwed by him then why go on and on about him? Like I said, he is a lawyer, like thousands of other lawyers who do what their client hires them to do. They make facts appear to be lies and lies appear to be facts, much like you try and do, but obviously you are not a lawyer because you arent that good at it. So the one case I know of the guy did not feel screwed, you claim that other unions fired him, well is that unusual? The TWU no longer employs Luby, was Luby a crook? We used him, and our guy got back as well, but only half pay. Massi wanted to go for the kill but Luby held back, by holdiong back the Arbitrator used the lack of the info Massi wanted to introduce as a way to split the baby, the guy should have gotten full pay, but then again Luby has to deal with those people on an ongoing basis where he may need a face saving out. You claim that Sehamm hired a lawyer when a suit was brought against him, isnt that standard proceedure for lawyers? If you have never been screwed over by him, and cant name an individual who has then why the obsession?



Another accusation is that his firm is anti-union and helps companies in union busting. Ok, but didnt the TWU hire ECLAT, the company AA hired to sell concessions to the Unions as an advisor during the 2003 concessions? Did the TWU genius who made that move think that ECLAT would then turn around and say "All those numbers we gave you were BS, worst case scenario, here are the more realistic numbers". Didnt the TWU hire an ex-member of management to be our expert on company benefits? (I think the guy is pretty good, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt, in the case of ECLAT that was a huge blunder, should have hired a competitor who wanted to make ECLAT look incompetant. )


When not ranting about Sehamm you rant about Larry, that you feel he should have relied perhaps on the same someone who you rely on for the inside scoop on whats going on in 567 to represent him, someone who may stand to gain if Larry were terminated and removed from office. Once again, I think it was a good move on Larrys part to bring a lawyer with him, I would under those circumstances.

 

[Bob Owens]

Of course it will Bob. Obviously by you most of all.

Punish me then.

 

[Lloyd Grey]

Phat Don might say; "Don't let facts get in the way of a good flame-throwing when it serves your purposes"!

 

[swamt]

Yep that's it. Just that the APA, SWAPA, and USAPA have all fired Seham for being lousy and overcharging. Why did Seham hire an attorney to protect him from being disbarred when USAPA questioned his bills? Because he is guilty?

Your ignorance of the facts speaks volumes.

LOL Typical answer. That's what I thought. Thanks...

 

[Bob Owens]

Phat Don might say; "Don't let facts get in the way of a good flame-throwing when it serves your purposes"!

That and "this isn't Political" when it comes from him and is purely political, like when he was trying to sell his local reorganization plan to the safety committee and "I'm not trying to sway anyone" right before he tries to sway them into giving stuff away to the company.

IMO Don is managements hand in the M&R ATD. Ream and Evie Rodriguez run around the line saying the line needs to vote for the concessions so they can shrink Tulsa and they wont be the majority anymore, then, it is claimed, the company can pay the line market rates, 75% still vote NO, but unfortunately 25% vote yes, just enough to pass thanks to the fear campaign waged against workers in Tulsa by the alliance of Local 514, AA Management and the notoriously anti Union Chamber of Commerce (never thought I'd see the day when people claiming to be Union ally themselves with the Chamber of Commerce), now with the concessions in place Don comes up with a plan to make sure Tulsa still maintains the majority by forcing Title II out of the Line M&R Locals (but not OH) and transferring all the AFW and DWH members to Local 514 despite the fact that 565 is right there. He uses the argument that we must structure our Locals according to how AMR structures their management as his reasoning for dividing up the membership in such an unusual, unprecedented , way.. (what management would not want a Union where the leaders of the Union structure their Union to meet the needs of management?)In Dons plan 565 has to give up hundreds of OH workers because his brainchild , Local 591, is a "line Local" but the line guys in Tulsa would stay in 514 because "they are under a one station agreement". Dons plan, despite what he says is clearly political, clearly designed to insure that he can get management whatever they want. This is not the first proposal as far as consolidation, Tod Woodward, Don's boy in 561 sent one out to everyone years ago and Don no doubt had an input into that prior proposal and was most certainly aware of it and never publicly commented against it, the difference was that Don was a Local President back then, he wasn't making over $150,000/year back then and that proposal looked nothing like this.

 

[swamt]

For those out here claiming that the Pike story was a dog and pony show read the article below posted on AMFA's National web site. For one it was an investigation inquiry, with the possibility of retaliatory action being brought onto the locals pres.. As well as, the possibility of Timco coming after Pike for his public statements. I too would have had an attorney representing me in any and all hearings or meetings concerning this situation. You guys claiming it was a dog and pony show are just trying to "deflect" what really took place here, which is; An American airlines mechanic that is the president of local 567 of the TWU hired a rival unions attorney to represent him. This looks extremely bad upon the TWU and speaks volumes about how the members at AFW feel about their current attorney's and representation with the TWU. Once again you have more members going outside of their representive union (TWU), and hiring a rival union's attorney with the members own out of pocket expenses, when they could have had a legal team at no out of pocket expense, provided by the TWU. Speaks Volumes...
The article is below:

AMFA Attorney Lee Seham Representing TWU Local 567 President Larry Pike with 250+ American Airlines Mechanics Showing Support and Solidarity Nov 13, 2012 - Posted by: AMFA National

Larry Pike, President of TWU Local 567, when contacted by the press about the 757 seat issue, expressed grave concern about the quality of outsourced maintenance work being performed by TIMCO. In response, AA summoned Local 567 President Pike to an investigatory meeting. Sensing the possibility of retaliatory action, approximately 250 AFW employees gathered to meet Mr. Pike prior to the investigatory meeting. In a moving and effective demonstration of solidarity, they marched behind President Pike and attorney Lee Seham from the AFW gate to the administrative offices to convey their support for Pike's efforts to promote aviation safety.

 

[Observer]

For those out here claiming that the Pike story was a dog and pony show read the article below posted on AMFA's National web site. For one it was an investigation inquiry, with the possibility of retaliatory action being brought onto the locals pres.. As well as, the possibility of Timco coming after Pike for his public statements. I too would have had an attorney representing me in any and all hearings or meetings concerning this situation. You guys claiming it was a dog and pony show are just trying to "deflect" what really took place here, which is; An American airlines mechanic that is the president of local 567 of the TWU hired a rival unions attorney to represent him. This looks extremely bad upon the TWU and speaks volumes about how the members at AFW feel about their current attorney's and representation with the TWU. Once again you have more members going outside of their representive union (TWU), and hiring a rival union's attorney with the members own out of pocket expenses, when they could have had a legal team at no out of pocket expense, provided by the TWU. Speaks Volumes...
The article is below:

AMFA Attorney Lee Seham Representing TWU Local 567 President Larry Pike with 250+ American Airlines Mechanics Showing Support and Solidarity Nov 13, 2012 - Posted by: AMFA National

Larry Pike, President of TWU Local 567, when contacted by the press about the 757 seat issue, expressed grave concern about the quality of outsourced maintenance work being performed by TIMCO. In response, AA summoned Local 567 President Pike to an investigatory meeting. Sensing the possibility of retaliatory action, approximately 250 AFW employees gathered to meet Mr. Pike prior to the investigatory meeting. In a moving and effective demonstration of solidarity, they marched behind President Pike and attorney Lee Seham from the AFW gate to the administrative offices to convey their support for Pike's efforts to promote aviation safety.

What BS. Your comment is incredulous.............Pike was not in peril, he knew it, what he did know was that his mug would be on the AMFA web-site for his own political purpose. His safety issue message played second fiddle to his own reasons for either trying to discredit the Company, the Union he does represent or both. Safety is all our concern, act professionally when making the challenge in public, with the media, with the FAA and especially with the traveling public. As for the meeting, no peril, no foul, no harm, unless you got those rose colored glasses on. Posting it on the AMFA web-site doesn't make it FACT, just another form of fiction.

 

[WNMECH]

American Airlines lost a lot of money over the seat fiasco.
It is obvious to most of us that they want scapegoats to blame.
It was clear to me that bringing counsel along to a fact finding meeting was a smart move.

If you were their target, you could do what you please.
I would have protected myself as Pike did.

I sure that Seham made it clear at this meeting that Pike would not be railroaded.
Knowing Seham, he made it very clear.

 

[Observer]

American Airlines lost a lot of money over the seat fiasco.
It is obvious to most of us that they want scapegoats to blame.
It was clear to me that bringing counsel along to a fact finding meeting was a smart move.

If you were their target, you could do what you please.
I would have protected myself as Pike did.

I sure that Seham made it clear at this meeting that Pike would not be railroaded.
Knowing Seham, he made it very clear.

Pike was not a target, and any utterances on your part about what Seham had to say is pure conjecture. Of course American lost money on the seat fiasco, BUT the scapegoat was not AA MTC, or AA employees that accomplish maintenance. The President of a local that represents professional AMTS, would have brought MORE attention to his cause du jour if he had contacted the media and met them in the parking lot outside the AAFISDO on Trinity Blvd before he met with FAA officials to discuss the safety issue. Instead he did what he did, gave Seham some face time, and nothing more than political posturing.

 

[WNMECH]

Pike was not a target, and any utterances on your part about what Seham had to say is pure conjecture.

Sounds like the conjecture is on your part if you believe Pike was not being set up to take a fall for his comments.

I could debate if the comments were wise or not, but after they were made he did the smart thing to protect himself.

On Seham, even if he didn't speak at this meeting ( in which I bet he did all the talking for Pike ) his presence put the company on notice that Pike is prepared to fight back.

Unlike the rest of the TWU who just seem to bend over for them.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Pike was not a target, and any utterances on your part about what Seham had to say is pure conjecture. Of course American lost money on the seat fiasco, BUT the scapegoat was not AA MTC, or AA employees that accomplish maintenance. The President of a local that represents professional AMTS, would have brought MORE attention to his cause du jour if he had contacted the media and met them in the parking lot outside the AAFISDO on Trinity Blvd before he met with FAA officials to discuss the safety issue. Instead he did what he did, gave Seham some face time, and nothing more than political posturing.

Political Posturing or NOT, He chose an AMFA lawyer to bring with him to what ever type meeting it was. That shows that he did not trust the Intl. of the TWU to come to his defense. All of the members of his local that showed up and met him, walking to AA's admin office also shows the company that they support him. True Unionism..

NO SPIN JUST FACTS

 

[swamt]

Pike was not a target, and any utterances on your part about what Seham had to say is pure conjecture. Of course American lost money on the seat fiasco, BUT the scapegoat was not AA MTC, or AA employees that accomplish maintenance. The President of a local that represents professional AMTS, would have brought MORE attention to his cause du jour if he had contacted the media and met them in the parking lot outside the AAFISDO on Trinity Blvd before he met with FAA officials to discuss the safety issue. Instead he did what he did, gave Seham some face time, and nothing more than political posturing.

Appearently Mr. Pike saw it as he was the target. He done the smartest move he could do in that sitsuation. AA saw he was willing to fight without the use of the company union and hire attorney's out of his own pocket. Now the company sees a different attorney than what they are used to dealing with in the norm, and will more than likely not go any further with the issue. AA has delt with Seham before. AA remembers how he made management look and feel last time he cross examined them. It still speaks volumes that the pres of a local goes to hire outside representation with a rather large cost out of pocket (Seham's services are not cheap, but, well worth it) rather than using the TWU's attorney's at no cost out of pocket, Hmmmmmm...

 

[Bob Owens]

Observer, how would you know whether Pike was a target or not? Who told you he wasn't? Management? Management is the only one that would know that for sure since they initiated the whole thing. So how can you come here and say for a fact what the hearing was going to be about before it even happened unless you are management?

 

[Observer]

Observer, how would you know whether Pike was a target or not? Who told you he wasn't? Management? Management is the only one that would know that for sure since they initiated the whole thing. So how can you come here and say for a fact what the hearing was going to be about before it even happened unless you are management?

C'mon Bob, Al Madar does not hold 29fs, you know that, common sense should tell you that fact. Pike opened his mouth about safety issues in the media. The Company would be remiss not to inquire what issues he may know that the Company doesn't. It is their house isn't it and we have to live in it. One has to be proactive when it comes to SAFETY. Or was it more of the "chicken little, the sky is falling, and Seham was carrying the umbrella so nothing would hit Pile in the head? For pete's sake, it was SAFETY brought up by Pike. exit stage left.