Larry Pike of 567 FIRED ?

[WNMECH]

C'mon Bob, Al Madar does not hold 29fs, you know that, common sense should tell you that fact. Pike opened his mouth about safety issues in the media. The Company would be remiss not to inquire what issues he may know that the Company doesn't. It is their house isn't it and we have to live in it. One has to be proactive when it comes to SAFETY. Or was it more of the "chicken little, the sky is falling, and Seham was carrying the umbrella so nothing would hit Pile in the head? For pete's sake, it was SAFETY brought up by Pike. exit stage left.

Are you pretending to be stupid or really that naive?
A meeting like that was designed to get Pike to dig himself a deeper hole in order to get more dirt on him.
He protected himself in a very appropriate way.

It may not have been a 29f, but anything he said in it could be used against him.

 

[Bob Owens]

C'mon Bob, Al Madar does not hold 29fs, you know that, common sense should tell you that fact. Pike opened his mouth about safety issues in the media. The Company would be remiss not to inquire what issues he may know that the Company doesn't. It is their house isn't it and we have to live in it. One has to be proactive when it comes to SAFETY. Or was it more of the "chicken little, the sky is falling, and Seham was carrying the umbrella so nothing would hit Pile in the head? For pete's sake, it was SAFETY brought up by Pike. exit stage left.

I dont know who Al Madar is, if he is management then it really dosent matter, Union members should have representation whenever they meet management in such a formal setting.

There have been several Whistleblower protection laws proposed, and some implemented, over the years to protect workers, why do you think that is? Because Companies retaliate against workers who reveal things that the company does not want revealed. AA chose to outsource work, to save money, that decision resulted in problems,.

 

[Anomaly]

I dont know who Al Madar is, if he is management then it really dosent matter, Union members should have representation whenever they meet management in such a formal setting.

There have been several Whistleblower protection laws proposed, and some implemented, over the years to protect workers, why do you think that is? Because Companies retaliate against workers who reveal things that the company does not want revealed. AA chose to outsource work, to save money, that decision resulted in problems,.

Welcome to the club Bob. ALL airlines before AA have chosen to outsource work to save money and those decisions often result in problems. It is a sad club to be in and I am not pleased in welcoming AA, but the facts are what they are.

From an outsiders point of view; many of the mechanics I spek with at other airlines always counted you AA mechanics as the winners. We looked up to you and your ability to keep work in house where so many others failed. This opinion of course was formed before reading any of these posts. I am saddened each day I read how the members of AA are so disgruntled. So little hope for the rest of us who thought TWU was doing the right thing.

 

[Rusty]

Seham's a dirt bag. The DPA started asking questions about him and they found out that he has a history of screwing people over. Pike and Seham, bird's of a feather?

For a very long time we had been warned about problems with Seham by many others including the Teamsters (their opinions of Seham are not printable), SWAPA (the Southwest pilots' union, who terminated their relationship with Seham just this year for "incompetence and billing irregularities"), APA (the Allied Pilots Association, who fired Seham for a variety of issues including pro-management business relationships), to numerous respected individual labor and RLA attorneys who are aware of Seham's poor reputation among labor advocates. These concerns were relayed to us over time and we took each of them into consideration along the way by doing our best to investigate them and assigning some level of veracity to each of the claims. Each of these concerns with Seham were addressed openly and proactively with him in an attempt to correct problem areas and to stay on track. The efforts to resolve them internally were not successful."​

Overspeed, I think most will figure out who are the true dirbags. You got your info from this site.

http://www.transformdpa.org/2011/11/presidents-message-lee-seham-issue.html

Obviously Captain Michael Cleary has an agenda.

From the Southwest APA

December 2, 2011
Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilots Association
200 East Woodlawn Road, Suite 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
Captain Cleary,
I am sending this letter to follow up on a phone conversation we had on November 18 regarding the communication piece you sent to your USAPA membership on November 6[sup]th[/sup]. While your choice of legal counsel for USAPA is your business, I find it both inappropriate and unprofessional for you to publicly speak about other unions’ relationships with said counsel. In this case, such public correspondence is particularly problematic because your information is both misleading and inaccurate.
In your November 6[sup]th[/sup] letter, you stated that SWAPA “terminated their relationship with Seham just this year for “incompetence and billing irregularities”. It should be noted that SWAPA did not have a long-standing relationship with Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen, so there was no relationship to be “terminated”. We hired Mr. Seham’s firm for a single System Board of Adjustment/Arbitration in Spring of 2010 in which we were attempting to get a pilot reinstated after a termination. The firm had been recommended to SWAPA by another Southwest union that uses the firm regularly. SWAPA chose to hire outside counsel for that arbitration because the subject-matter relating to the pilot’s termination was specialized, and Mr. Seham’s firm had done extensive work in that field. That single arbitration is the only experience SWAPA had with Mr. Seham’s firm. When that arbitration concluded, our relationship with the firm also ended. They were not “terminated” by SWAPA for either incompetence or billing irregularities. We elected to not use them going forward at that time.
Because your letter to the USAPA membership is misleading and inaccurate, I again request (this time in writing) that you retract the statements made to your membership and issue a correction about SWAPA’s past business dealings with Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen.
Sincerely,
Steve Chase
President
Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association

From the Teamsters

November 28,2011
Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilot Association
200 East Woodlawn Road – Suite 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
Dear Captain Cleary:
My name is Captain Robert Boyd former President and Chief Steward of Airline Professional Association (APA Teamster Local 1224). On background I have been employed at ABX AIR INC., former Airborne Express since 1979. During my time at Airborne I’ve had the opportunity to represent the Local’s Pilots and Professional Flight Engineers both as a two-time elected Chief Steward for 4 years and two-time elected President of Teamsters Local 1224 for six years exclusively representing the Cockpit Crewmembers of Airborne Express.
I have recently reviewed a communication you distributed to your USAPA members making certain representations concerning Mr. Lee Seham of Seham Seham Meltz and Petersen regarding the legal services both he and this law firm provided to the Teamster membership.
As President of Teamster Local 1224, my appointed duties involved the direct hiring and oversight of the Local’s staff legal counsel as well as the recruitment and hiring of outside counsel used in several specialized areas oflaw. The Local believed that the crewmembers it represented deserved a vigorous legal representation to protect their valuable careers and the Local cast the net wide to hire the best and notable in each area of law required to represent the membership.
I would request to go on record that to my direct knowledge during my tenure in office the only legal representation Mr. Seham provided for the Teamsters both at the Local or National level was for Teamster Local 1224.
Mr. Seham represented Teamster Local 1224 as outside lead counsel on cases that broached well beyond the areas of expertise and experience that could be provided by the Local’s own staff attorneys. Mr. Seham represented our membership at RLA arbitrations, DOT ALJ legal hearings and before the NTSB. In every case his experience, commitment and tenacity helped the Local prevail in very difficult cases in defense of the members’ valuable careers. While I am aware of Teamster criticism of Mr. Seham at the International level, that criticism was based on his representation of independent unions and not on the quality of legal services provided to Teamster members.
Given Mr. Seham’s factual track record of service for Teamster members at Local 1224, I am requesting that you correct or retract your statements made to your membership concerning Mr. Sehams Legal representations of Teamster Pilot members. For the record we currently have members flying today, and providing for themselves and their families, as a direct result of Mr. Sehams involvement.
Fraternally,
B-767 Captain Robert Boyd
President (2000-2005)
Airline Professionals Association Teamster Local 1224

http://compasscorrectioncoalition.com/2012/01/26/unionism-cleary-style/

 

[Bob Owens]

Welcome to the club Bob. ALL airlines before AA have chosen to outsource work to save money and those decisions often result in problems. It is a sad club to be in and I am not pleased in welcoming AA, but the facts are what they are.

From an outsiders point of view; many of the mechanics I spek with at other airlines always counted you AA mechanics as the winners. We looked up to you and your ability to keep work in house where so many others failed. This opinion of course was formed before reading any of these posts. I am saddened each day I read how the members of AA are so disgruntled. So little hope for the rest of us who thought TWU was doing the right thing.

Really??? My experience has been the opposite. Most of the guys I run into say 'What the F^(K is wrong with you guys? You F^)%#D us all again!!!"

So you think the right thing to do is give away everything from all the workers in order to work for so little its not worth outsourcing any of the work? If thats the IBT way then why does UPS still outsource most of their OH and pay their guys over $50/hr? Oh yes, thats right, UPS was Ron Careys boys, true unionists who fight to get their members better wages and beneifits, not Business Unionists who give the company everything they want under the lie of "saving jobs" when they really mean "preserving the dues base". So you are OK with the fact that we earn less than our Non-union peers ? tell me, do you think the guys over at Jet Blue or delta will sign a card to get a Union if you told them your objective wasnt to maximize pay and benefits, instead they would have to give up pay and benefits so they could price their labor so cheap that instead of outsourcing their OH they could bring it in house. Do you think the guys at TIMCO will sign cards if they see that since the wages are now so low that the airlines keep the work in house? Come on, what kind of Unionists falls for the same old union busting lie that lower wages and less benefits are good for you? Now we know what a fraud you are and why you hide behind an alias.

 

[Bob Owens]

Overspeed, I think most will figure out who are the true dirbags. You got your info from this site.

http://www.transform...eham-issue.html

Obviously Captain Michael Cleary has an agenda.

From the Southwest APA

December 2, 2011
Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilots Association
200 East Woodlawn Road, Suite 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
Captain Cleary,
I am sending this letter to follow up on a phone conversation we had on November 18 regarding the communication piece you sent to your USAPA membership on November 6[sup]th[/sup]. While your choice of legal counsel for USAPA is your business, I find it both inappropriate and unprofessional for you to publicly speak about other unions’ relationships with said counsel. In this case, such public correspondence is particularly problematic because your information is both misleading and inaccurate.
In your November 6[sup]th[/sup] letter, you stated that SWAPA “terminated their relationship with Seham just this year for “incompetence and billing irregularities”. It should be noted that SWAPA did not have a long-standing relationship with Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen, so there was no relationship to be “terminated”. We hired Mr. Seham’s firm for a single System Board of Adjustment/Arbitration in Spring of 2010 in which we were attempting to get a pilot reinstated after a termination. The firm had been recommended to SWAPA by another Southwest union that uses the firm regularly. SWAPA chose to hire outside counsel for that arbitration because the subject-matter relating to the pilot’s termination was specialized, and Mr. Seham’s firm had done extensive work in that field. That single arbitration is the only experience SWAPA had with Mr. Seham’s firm. When that arbitration concluded, our relationship with the firm also ended. They were not “terminated” by SWAPA for either incompetence or billing irregularities. We elected to not use them going forward at that time.
Because your letter to the USAPA membership is misleading and inaccurate, I again request (this time in writing) that you retract the statements made to your membership and issue a correction about SWAPA’s past business dealings with Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen.
Sincerely,
Steve Chase
President
Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association

From the Teamsters

November 28,2011
Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilot Association
200 East Woodlawn Road – Suite 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
Dear Captain Cleary:
My name is Captain Robert Boyd former President and Chief Steward of Airline Professional Association (APA Teamster Local 1224). On background I have been employed at ABX AIR INC., former Airborne Express since 1979. During my time at Airborne I’ve had the opportunity to represent the Local’s Pilots and Professional Flight Engineers both as a two-time elected Chief Steward for 4 years and two-time elected President of Teamsters Local 1224 for six years exclusively representing the Cockpit Crewmembers of Airborne Express.
I have recently reviewed a communication you distributed to your USAPA members making certain representations concerning Mr. Lee Seham of Seham Seham Meltz and Petersen regarding the legal services both he and this law firm provided to the Teamster membership.
As President of Teamster Local 1224, my appointed duties involved the direct hiring and oversight of the Local’s staff legal counsel as well as the recruitment and hiring of outside counsel used in several specialized areas oflaw. The Local believed that the crewmembers it represented deserved a vigorous legal representation to protect their valuable careers and the Local cast the net wide to hire the best and notable in each area of law required to represent the membership.
I would request to go on record that to my direct knowledge during my tenure in office the only legal representation Mr. Seham provided for the Teamsters both at the Local or National level was for Teamster Local 1224.
Mr. Seham represented Teamster Local 1224 as outside lead counsel on cases that broached well beyond the areas of expertise and experience that could be provided by the Local’s own staff attorneys. Mr. Seham represented our membership at RLA arbitrations, DOT ALJ legal hearings and before the NTSB. In every case his experience, commitment and tenacity helped the Local prevail in very difficult cases in defense of the members’ valuable careers. While I am aware of Teamster criticism of Mr. Seham at the International level, that criticism was based on his representation of independent unions and not on the quality of legal services provided to Teamster members.
Given Mr. Seham’s factual track record of service for Teamster members at Local 1224, I am requesting that you correct or retract your statements made to your membership concerning Mr. Sehams Legal representations of Teamster Pilot members. For the record we currently have members flying today, and providing for themselves and their families, as a direct result of Mr. Sehams involvement.
Fraternally,
B-767 Captain Robert Boyd
President (2000-2005)
Airline Professionals Association Teamster Local 1224

http://compasscorrec...m-cleary-style/

So it appears that Sehamm is not "an AMFA lawyer". He is a lawyer that has done work for AMFA, the IBT, and some TWU members as well.

So some were not happy with his representation and some were. Those who were not are not forced to continue to pay them for that representation though.

 

[767 mechanic]

Overspeed, I think most will figure out who are the true dirbags. You got your info from this site.

http://www.transform...eham-issue.html

Obviously Captain Michael Cleary has an agenda.

From the Southwest APA

December 2, 2011
Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilots Association
200 East Woodlawn Road, Suite 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
Captain Cleary,
I am sending this letter to follow up on a phone conversation we had on November 18 regarding the communication piece you sent to your USAPA membership on November 6[sup]th[/sup]. While your choice of legal counsel for USAPA is your business, I find it both inappropriate and unprofessional for you to publicly speak about other unions’ relationships with said counsel. In this case, such public correspondence is particularly problematic because your information is both misleading and inaccurate.
In your November 6[sup]th[/sup] letter, you stated that SWAPA “terminated their relationship with Seham just this year for “incompetence and billing irregularities”. It should be noted that SWAPA did not have a long-standing relationship with Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen, so there was no relationship to be “terminated”. We hired Mr. Seham’s firm for a single System Board of Adjustment/Arbitration in Spring of 2010 in which we were attempting to get a pilot reinstated after a termination. The firm had been recommended to SWAPA by another Southwest union that uses the firm regularly. SWAPA chose to hire outside counsel for that arbitration because the subject-matter relating to the pilot’s termination was specialized, and Mr. Seham’s firm had done extensive work in that field. That single arbitration is the only experience SWAPA had with Mr. Seham’s firm. When that arbitration concluded, our relationship with the firm also ended. They were not “terminated” by SWAPA for either incompetence or billing irregularities. We elected to not use them going forward at that time.
Because your letter to the USAPA membership is misleading and inaccurate, I again request (this time in writing) that you retract the statements made to your membership and issue a correction about SWAPA’s past business dealings with Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen.
Sincerely,
Steve Chase
President
Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association

From the Teamsters

November 28,2011
Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilot Association
200 East Woodlawn Road – Suite 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
Dear Captain Cleary:
My name is Captain Robert Boyd former President and Chief Steward of Airline Professional Association (APA Teamster Local 1224). On background I have been employed at ABX AIR INC., former Airborne Express since 1979. During my time at Airborne I’ve had the opportunity to represent the Local’s Pilots and Professional Flight Engineers both as a two-time elected Chief Steward for 4 years and two-time elected President of Teamsters Local 1224 for six years exclusively representing the Cockpit Crewmembers of Airborne Express.
I have recently reviewed a communication you distributed to your USAPA members making certain representations concerning Mr. Lee Seham of Seham Seham Meltz and Petersen regarding the legal services both he and this law firm provided to the Teamster membership.
As President of Teamster Local 1224, my appointed duties involved the direct hiring and oversight of the Local’s staff legal counsel as well as the recruitment and hiring of outside counsel used in several specialized areas oflaw. The Local believed that the crewmembers it represented deserved a vigorous legal representation to protect their valuable careers and the Local cast the net wide to hire the best and notable in each area of law required to represent the membership.
I would request to go on record that to my direct knowledge during my tenure in office the only legal representation Mr. Seham provided for the Teamsters both at the Local or National level was for Teamster Local 1224.
Mr. Seham represented Teamster Local 1224 as outside lead counsel on cases that broached well beyond the areas of expertise and experience that could be provided by the Local’s own staff attorneys. Mr. Seham represented our membership at RLA arbitrations, DOT ALJ legal hearings and before the NTSB. In every case his experience, commitment and tenacity helped the Local prevail in very difficult cases in defense of the members’ valuable careers. While I am aware of Teamster criticism of Mr. Seham at the International level, that criticism was based on his representation of independent unions and not on the quality of legal services provided to Teamster members.
Given Mr. Seham’s factual track record of service for Teamster members at Local 1224, I am requesting that you correct or retract your statements made to your membership concerning Mr. Sehams Legal representations of Teamster Pilot members. For the record we currently have members flying today, and providing for themselves and their families, as a direct result of Mr. Sehams involvement.
Fraternally,
B-767 Captain Robert Boyd
President (2000-2005)
Airline Professionals Association Teamster Local 1224

http://compasscorrec...m-cleary-style/

Since overspeed has chosen to slander Mr Seham and the law firm of Seham,Seham,Meltz and Peterson. I'm sure overspeed will not have a problem with revealing his true identity so that Mr Seham can defend himself in a court of law. Overspeeds reputation of stretching the truth and being a complete liar is common knowledge to the posters on this board. It would be something to find out that overspeed is none other than a paid twu official and not only gets himself sued,but also the twu. So overspeed are you going to continue making false and misleading statements about Mr Seham or are you going to be the mouse(RAT) that we know you to be and crawl in your hole?

 

[swamt]

Since overspeed has chosen to slander Mr Seham and the law firm of Seham,Seham,Meltz and Peterson. I'm sure overspeed will not have a problem with revealing his true identity so that Mr Seham can defend himself in a court of law. Overspeeds reputation of stretching the truth and being a complete liar is common knowledge to the posters on this board. It would be something to find out that overspeed is none other than a paid twu official and not only gets himself sued,but also the twu. So overspeed are you going to continue making false and misleading statements about Mr Seham or are you going to be the mouse(RAT) that we know you to be and crawl in your hole?

Actually Overspeed did not write the slander letters. USAPA"s Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilot Association as posted above wrote the letters. Overspeed simply posted them on the internet. However, once again everyone out can see the route people will take to try and discredit anything to do with Seham's representations or AMFA. People will lie lie lie, to TRY and make them look bad. USAPA better have a retractual letter out very quickly. Overspeed, you may want to post something to the effect of those were not your words or opinions, or whatever the legal mumble jungle is to slither your a$$ out of a lawsuit. I am also sure this web site will be directed to remove such postings as they were not factual and may have harmed Seham reputation in the legal arena world. I smell a lawsuit coming if demands for the retractual statements are not met. I also see Seham and other parties going after anyone that posted such inflamatory and false information. This one is going to be fun to watch. Hey Overspeed; you might wanna go hire an attorney. See if the TWU will provide you with one, or better yet you could get the teamsters to loan you Josh to go head to head with Seham. Now that would be worth watching...

 

[swamt]

Overspeed, I think most will figure out who are the true dirbags. You got your info from this site.

http://www.transform...eham-issue.html

Obviously Captain Michael Cleary has an agenda.

From the Southwest APA

December 2, 2011
Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilots Association
200 East Woodlawn Road, Suite 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
Captain Cleary,
I am sending this letter to follow up on a phone conversation we had on November 18 regarding the communication piece you sent to your USAPA membership on November 6[sup]th[/sup]. While your choice of legal counsel for USAPA is your business, I find it both inappropriate and unprofessional for you to publicly speak about other unions’ relationships with said counsel. In this case, such public correspondence is particularly problematic because your information is both misleading and inaccurate.
In your November 6[sup]th[/sup] letter, you stated that SWAPA “terminated their relationship with Seham just this year for “incompetence and billing irregularities”. It should be noted that SWAPA did not have a long-standing relationship with Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen, so there was no relationship to be “terminated”. We hired Mr. Seham’s firm for a single System Board of Adjustment/Arbitration in Spring of 2010 in which we were attempting to get a pilot reinstated after a termination. The firm had been recommended to SWAPA by another Southwest union that uses the firm regularly. SWAPA chose to hire outside counsel for that arbitration because the subject-matter relating to the pilot’s termination was specialized, and Mr. Seham’s firm had done extensive work in that field. That single arbitration is the only experience SWAPA had with Mr. Seham’s firm. When that arbitration concluded, our relationship with the firm also ended. They were not “terminated” by SWAPA for either incompetence or billing irregularities. We elected to not use them going forward at that time.
Because your letter to the USAPA membership is misleading and inaccurate, I again request (this time in writing) that you retract the statements made to your membership and issue a correction about SWAPA’s past business dealings with Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen.
Sincerely,
Steve Chase
President
Southwest Airlines Pilots’ Association

From the Teamsters

November 28,2011
Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilot Association
200 East Woodlawn Road – Suite 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
Dear Captain Cleary:
My name is Captain Robert Boyd former President and Chief Steward of Airline Professional Association (APA Teamster Local 1224). On background I have been employed at ABX AIR INC., former Airborne Express since 1979. During my time at Airborne I’ve had the opportunity to represent the Local’s Pilots and Professional Flight Engineers both as a two-time elected Chief Steward for 4 years and two-time elected President of Teamsters Local 1224 for six years exclusively representing the Cockpit Crewmembers of Airborne Express.
I have recently reviewed a communication you distributed to your USAPA members making certain representations concerning Mr. Lee Seham of Seham Seham Meltz and Petersen regarding the legal services both he and this law firm provided to the Teamster membership.
As President of Teamster Local 1224, my appointed duties involved the direct hiring and oversight of the Local’s staff legal counsel as well as the recruitment and hiring of outside counsel used in several specialized areas oflaw. The Local believed that the crewmembers it represented deserved a vigorous legal representation to protect their valuable careers and the Local cast the net wide to hire the best and notable in each area of law required to represent the membership.
I would request to go on record that to my direct knowledge during my tenure in office the only legal representation Mr. Seham provided for the Teamsters both at the Local or National level was for Teamster Local 1224.
Mr. Seham represented Teamster Local 1224 as outside lead counsel on cases that broached well beyond the areas of expertise and experience that could be provided by the Local’s own staff attorneys. Mr. Seham represented our membership at RLA arbitrations, DOT ALJ legal hearings and before the NTSB. In every case his experience, commitment and tenacity helped the Local prevail in very difficult cases in defense of the members’ valuable careers. While I am aware of Teamster criticism of Mr. Seham at the International level, that criticism was based on his representation of independent unions and not on the quality of legal services provided to Teamster members.
Given Mr. Seham’s factual track record of service for Teamster members at Local 1224, I am requesting that you correct or retract your statements made to your membership concerning Mr. Sehams Legal representations of Teamster Pilot members. For the record we currently have members flying today, and providing for themselves and their families, as a direct result of Mr. Sehams involvement.
Fraternally,
B-767 Captain Robert Boyd
President (2000-2005)
Airline Professionals Association Teamster Local 1224

http://compasscorrec...m-cleary-style/

This posting deserves to posted and reposted so all out here can see the evidence of the lies and untruths that Overspeed, as well as others have posted about Seham and AMFA.
Now Overspeed, Anomaly, Realityck, and others, what do you have, with proof, on AMFA and Seham. Once again you all have been prooven wrong. You guys now have nothing. It's over at AA for the TWU. It won't be long and AMFA will move in.
Man, you guys are great represenatives for AMFA!! Pls keep posting, you are doing great work...

 

[Anomaly]

Actually Overspeed did not write the slander letters. USAPA"s Captain Michael Cleary
President
US Airlines Pilot Association as posted above wrote the letters. Overspeed simply posted them on the internet. However, once again everyone out can see the route people will take to try and discredit anything to do with Seham's representations or AMFA. People will lie lie lie, to TRY and make them look bad. USAPA better have a retractual letter out very quickly. Overspeed, you may want to post something to the effect of those were not your words or opinions, or whatever the legal mumble jungle is to slither your a$$ out of a lawsuit. I am also sure this web site will be directed to remove such postings as they were not factual and may have harmed Seham reputation in the legal arena world. I smell a lawsuit coming if demands for the retractual statements are not met. I also see Seham and other parties going after anyone that posted such inflamatory and false information. This one is going to be fun to watch. Hey Overspeed; you might wanna go hire an attorney. See if the TWU will provide you with one, or better yet you could get the teamsters to loan you Josh to go head to head with Seham. Now that would be worth watching...

This posting deserves to posted and reposted so all out here can see the evidence of the lies and untruths that Overspeed, as well as others have posted about Seham and AMFA.
Now Overspeed, Anomaly, Realityck, and others, what do you have, with proof, on AMFA and Seham. Once again you all have been prooven wrong. You guys now have nothing. It's over at AA for the TWU. It won't be long and AMFA will move in.
Man, you guys are great represenatives for AMFA!! Pls keep posting, you are doing great work...

Such talk of law suits and proof might make people think you actually know what you are talking about. You write as if everything you read on the internet is the absolute truth. Did you discover that on the internet also? At the same time, what is true and factual in your mind, might have a different meaning in others. On this OPINION board, both sides are accused of lying all the time. Perceptions are not always the same, and to take to court a persons opinion or perception is a costly proposition. But at least someone will win..... the lawyers.

By the way, shame on IBT 1224 for undermining the International. At least he referenced the criticism and was clear that his is the only Teamster Local to use these carpetbaggers.

Speaking of, I agree with overspeed so go ahead and add me to that lawsuit Mr Seaham. I am of the opinion that this firm is little more than an ambulance chasing circus act sold to the highest bidder. They have found a "nitch" and will sell their allegiances for billable hours. They do not promote unionism, just defend for profits.

Think about it, AMFA and the Teamsters are bitter rivals, yet this firm suffers no moral dilemma in representing which ever side is willing to pay?

SWAPA is clearly hoping to stay on the least expensive side of any civil action, but notice how quick they are to dismiss any long term relationship with the SSMP law group?

I do not doubt their limited abilities, you have to have some success in order to stay profitable, but I do question their integrity.

AMFA can keep Seeeham. I think your two groups and questionable morals are a good fit.

 

[Bob Owens]

By the way, shame on IBT 1224 for undermining the International. At least he referenced the criticism and was clear that his is the only Teamster Local to use these carpetbaggers.

Is it wrong to be honest? Shame on him? Why for not cowtowing to people who are more concerned with settling scores than promoting unionism? Someone in the International gets a bug up their but, for personal reasons not due to harm to the movement and everyone should rally behind a smear campaign based on lies? Is that your version of Unionism?


I get accused of a lot of things here, even you joined in because I tell what I beleive to be the truth, and the truth is that we have the worst deal in the industry, worse than non-union. I will not lie to the members for any union leadership. To whom should we be loyal, leaders the members do not elect or those who elect us?

Speaking of, I agree with overspeed so go ahead and add me to that lawsuit Mr Seaham. I am of the opinion that this firm is little more than an ambulance chasing circus act sold to the highest bidder. They have found a "nitch" and will sell their allegiances for billable hours. They do not promote unionism, just defend for profits.

Hmm, coming from a guy who believes in cutting wages, slashing benefits and gutting workrules to try and maintain the dues base.

Think about it, AMFA and the Teamsters are bitter rivals, yet this firm suffers no moral dilemma in representing which ever side is willing to pay?

They are both Unions, they should both put the cause of labor first. just because members go from one Union to another it should not make them enemies as long as they both have the objective of raising, or at the very least preserving the living standards of people who are working.

I do not doubt their limited abilities, you have to have some success in order to stay profitable, but I do question their integrity.

So you would rather keep incompetant lawyers who lose, as long as they will only work for unions? Maybe unions are the only ones that will hire them and its not the other way around? Integrity? Lawyers.OK

 

[Anomaly]

Is it wrong to be honest? Shame on him? Why for not cowtowing to people who are more concerned with settling scores than promoting unionism? Someone in the International gets a bug up their but, for personal reasons not due to harm to the movement and everyone should rally behind a smear campaign based on lies? Is that your version of Unionism?


I get accused of a lot of things here, even you joined in because I tell what I beleive to be the truth, and the truth is that we have the worst deal in the industry, worse than non-union. I will not lie to the members for any union leadership. To whom should we be loyal, leaders the members do not elect or those who elect us?





Hmm, coming from a guy who believes in cutting wages, slashing benefits and gutting workrules to try and maintain the dues base.




They are both Unions, they should both put the cause of labor first. just because members go from one Union to another it should not make them enemies as long as they both have the objective of raising, or at the very least preserving the living standards of people who are working.





So you would rather keep incompetant lawyers who lose, as long as they will only work for unions? Maybe unions are the only ones that will hire them and its not the other way around? Integrity? Lawyers.OK

It is not wrong to be honest, so be honest. Step down first before campaigning against the members you serve under your union. You have some decent and respectable views, but it is hard for me to accept those views while you remain fixed on your convictions that you are doing the admirable thing. You are not.

The rest of your babble is your own perception, not mine. But for the record, I promote jobs, and job protection. It is sad you can only equate that to dues. Your own paranoia perhaps?

 

[Bob Owens]

It is not wrong to be honest, so be honest. Step down first before campaigning against the members you serve under your union. You have some decent and respectable views, but it is hard for me to accept those views while you remain fixed on your convictions that you are doing the admirable thing. You are not.

Never said it was admirable, or selfless, just what I believe to be true. I'm doing exactly what my members have told me they want me to do, if not they have the right to recall me at any time, I helped put that in place.



If you consider what you do to be admirable then why do you hide behind an alias?

But for the record, I promote jobs, and job protection.

Hmm, guess that puts you in the "Job creater" camp, like Romney, and he wanted to do it the same way, lower pay and benefits for everyone, except those at the top. How much did Hoffa make last year?


Job protection isnt a priority if you make the job so bad people quit.

For the record, Unionists push for good wages, good benefits and better working conditions.

 

[Overspeed]

This posting deserves to posted and reposted so all out here can see the evidence of the lies and untruths that Overspeed, as well as others have posted about Seham and AMFA.
Now Overspeed, Anomaly, Realityck, and others, what do you have, with proof, on AMFA and Seham. Once again you all have been prooven wrong. You guys now have nothing. It's over at AA for the TWU. It won't be long and AMFA will move in.
Man, you guys are great represenatives for AMFA!! Pls keep posting, you are doing great work...

SWAPA fired Seham. Fact. USAPA fired Seham. Fact. APA fired Seham. Fact. They have represented many companies in anti-union drives at Lufthansa, Varig, and others. Fact,

 

[TWU informer]

SWAPA fired Seham. Fact. USAPA fired Seham. Fact. APA fired Seham. Fact. They have represented many companies in anti-union drives at Lufthansa, Varig, and others. Fact,

And unlike the TWU, we could fire Seham also if need be if we were represented by AMFA.
Under the TWU, we have to live with the attorney that belongs to the DNC, and all politically correct affiliations.

As you have now seen, the Union Member at American Airlines wants the attorney that gets results and the "affiliations" are meaningless.

Now I know the Kool-Aid you drink makes affiliations top priority, but get outside your little circle and you will see what really matters, and that is what the member wants.