Largest Airline needs Mechanics Union

[Overspeed]

O/S
 
I know two of the names you mentioned and I believe they were in the IBT fight just for themselves. (1) is a great politician and talker.
the other from what I have seen and been told is just a big scammer.
 
I thought that the guys that we elected into Local 591 would be different but as of yet they have not impressed me, they still allow the scamming and without anyone having a vote gave themselves a pay raise. WOW just amazing!!!!!  There are many here at AA who want a change, and if that is the case why don't we just let it happen, let there be a vote !!!
 
If AMFA wins then it will show that the membership voted and made a choice. If the Assoc. or alliance wins then there can be NO MORE WHINNING.......
 
NO Charges should not be brought up on any members who for years paid into the TWU and had NO say what so ever.
 
The likes of Don V. and Gary Y., Bobby G.,  Drum, and the rest have screwed the membership again and again. 
 
Supporting a union in which the officer don't even have to show up for work because they are or have a deal with management,
and when the TWU members feel like they are being screwed as in this equity share fiasco they still don't feel they should come to the floor.
 
It's all on line, its virtual, just a game. They are in it for the money and the scamming. JMHO !!!!
 
I don't think that all the officers that are in supported the IBT, Maybe in Tulsa, not the line local I do know one that was an IBT guy.
I think the 591 officers just wanted to get back at the Intl. and they think that they can make a difference. The TWU is a machine and
the way to stop it is to just cut it off and dispose of it.
 
This assoc. and alliance what ever,is a scam, by the twu/iam to keep the dues coming in. Its only going to keep us down until most here retire, then the new generation will have to suffer with this. 
 
There are guys who have been involved with unions who since being here at aa have not since they have seen what the TWU is all about.
There are others who I think would get involved for the first time if we get rid of the TWU. 
 
I still don't get why you still support the TWU unless you are or have a deal where you get something, you know the IGM here at AA.
 
Pension/vacation/pay/Holidays/sick time/pv's/and much more... all have been let go by the TWU these things were fought for in negotiations in the past
by the unions and to have them now go away with little or no hope of them coming back, the TWU should be scorned and told to hit the road.
 
 
I support AMFA because I have a HOPE that I can have a say, attend negotiations if I want too, and remove officers who don't look out for the best wishes of the members.
 
AMFA may not be the saving union some think it is, But its a change that I think we should try, until we are proven wrong that they are NOT the union we thought and then we can again change. United changed twice, and I think they still are not happy. Its an industry thing.
 
 

AMFA at the NEW AA in 2014, sign a card and lets bring this to a VOTE !!!!!!​

Well we have a lot of AMFA guys as TWU officers now. Hell 567 uses Seham for legal action and steward training. We have a lot of AMFA now without switching.

I'm surprised the TWU doesn't stop the locals from using Seham knowing the guy is working it get the TWU out. Many of the TWU's action seemed to be helping the AMFA cause not slowing it.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 

Truer words were never spoken. So you are asking us to give up leverage at this time to wait and wait again? Doesn't sound like you have much confidence..........you should be 100% sure to be advocating change.

MIKE33

I am 100% sure that we need change my comment was for all the guys who will be negative towards the thought. AMFA/TWU/IAM/IBT there are so many guys
here that have different ideas that we should stay with the TWU and give them one more chance. Well how many chances do they deserve.?

Mike I am true to my cause and I hope that all mechanics at AA and US join together and reomve the TWU and the IAM.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 

Well we have a lot of AMFA guys as TWU officers now. Hell 567 uses Seham for legal action and steward training. We have a lot of AMFA now without switching.

I'm surprised the TWU doesn't stop the locals from using Seham knowing the guy is working it get the TWU out. Many of the TWU's action seemed to be helping the AMFA cause not slowing it.

 O/S

I think it would depend on what station and who the TWU officers are there as to them trying to stop the AMFA guys.

IT's all about the dues with the TWU and with the scammers who say that my scam protects your scam.

Many just don't care any more, that is such a shame. So that we all ca reboot as they say a change would bring the membership back together
I have to believe that. OR WE ARE DOOMED AS a class and craft.

 

[Rogallo]

Good union guys? Like Woodward? Balbo? Witt? Or the other IBT organizers.

I agree with in other there are a lot of scammers. I am sure we could all name a few. Many of the officers and reps now working at 591 were actively or tacitly supporting the IBT yet they were allowed to run for office and not brought up on charges by the TWU?

I expect that if, if AMFA gets in that the 591 reps will not fight the card drive and then if AMFA wins a representation election they will claim they were for an all mechanic union all along. Beware the politicians!

 
 

Well we have a lot of AMFA guys as TWU officers now. Hell 567 uses Seham for legal action and steward training. We have a lot of AMFA now without switching.

I'm surprised the TWU doesn't stop the locals from using Seham knowing the guy is working it get the TWU out. Many of the TWU's action seemed to be helping the AMFA cause not slowing it.

 
 
F'ing Worthless TWU! Can't/Won't do their Job. Aren't they a piece of work!!
 
Throw the bums out!

 

[Overspeed]

Wait, who are we throwing out? The local officers who don't do their jobs or the Int'l officers who dont remove the local officers for not doing their jobs? I'm confused.

 

[comatose]

Wait, who are we throwing out? The local officers who don't do their jobs or the Int'l officers who dont remove the local officers for not doing their jobs? I'm confused.

Probably the only two words you have written that I agree with.

 

[Rogallo]

Probably the only two words you have written that I agree with.

Ditto.

 

[mike33]

Wait, who are we throwing out? The local officers who don't do their jobs or the Int'l officers who dont remove the local officers for not doing their jobs? I'm confused.

They want change, but i don't think they really know what they want and at what cost!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Wait, who are we throwing out? The local officers who don't do their jobs or the Int'l officers who dont remove the local officers for not doing their jobs? I'm confused.

 
O/S
 
To me its all the same the entire TWU needs to go, Local officers and the Intl.
 
I don't see much of a difference, they all seem to talk as if they can/want to change the way
it is but when all said and done, the locals have NO power, lame ducks in a pond.
 
The Intl. is attempting to please them with the removal of some of the biggest
Officers, but have placed back guys that will not help the AMT's. The line has a legal
action against the Intl. So them working together to actually get us the AMT's of AA
anything is just another joke.
 
O/S just give us some of the reasons that you support the TWU?
 
What positives have they given to aid in the betterment of our class and craft in the last 15 yrs?
 
When any product fails time and time again we all must come to the realization that it is time to re-evaluate then remove the problem. I say that problem here at AA is the TWU.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

They want change, but i don't think they really know what they want and at what cost!

 
Mike33
 
The TWU has cost all of us here so much in money and benefits.
They have set back the gains of unions 20+ yrs.
 
The future AMT's will never have the work place that some of
us enjoyed in past yrs. The enjoyment and the respect of the job.
 
It has become just a job for most where in the past it was a career that most were proud
to say they were apart of.
 
I think the TWU has played a big part in the down fall of the industry.
Most of the bs started at AA, and got copied by other carriers and their CEO's.
 
It's time to start over, we need a clean slate, wipe the TWU from AA. Change the
culture and bring back the craft I knew when I started many yrs ago.

 

[bigjets]

I say vote No-union in this alliance vote, see what the company gives us. See If we are on par with SWA and Delta. If we are still treated like TWU represented employees then we organize AMFA and wait for their year penalty to lapse. Then we have a real union.

 

[700UW]

And be an employee at will for over a year?

Thats just crazy, they company will layoff and outsource, you will have just a skeleton crew in maintenance.

 

[1AA]

And be an employee at will for over a year?
Thats just crazy, they company will layoff and outsource, you will have just a skeleton crew in maintenance.

Is that your opinion based on your past experience as an AMT represented by the TWU at American Airlines?

 

[bigjets]

And be an employee at will for over a year?
Thats just crazy, they company will layoff and outsource, you will have just a skeleton crew in maintenance.

 
Oh you are right, that's why Delta and FEDEX has about 5 mechs, and we are so protected having a union, AA would never close MCI, AFW, MSP DTW, SNA, CLE, BNA, RDU,  cut the man power at DFW SFO STL, and others, not to mention outsourcing OH from TUL. WE have a union that gets us 1/2 sick pay, 5 holidays paid at 1.5x. You must work in a TUL shop, or you have not been paying attention.  Besides it would be less then a year, closer to 9 months or less.

 

[700UW]

Delta outsources all their heavy checks, all their interior mods, and uses Delta Global Services Mechanics in ATL.
 
FedEx outsources all their checks too.
 
Go ask the former non-union ramp and csa at US what happened to them in 1992 with no union protection.
 
Go ask the what happened to the America West mechanics when they were non-union.