JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Insatiable]

If this whole PT and FT shift duration and piggy backing shifts and the language is not spelled correctly is such a major problem so that you are afraid to arbitrate the problem then I maybe the best remedy would be to negotiate a percentage amount. You could put on your big boy pants sit at the adults table and negotiate a percentage for FT to PT. Whether it be 60% FT to 40% PT or 70% to 30%, then the company would only be allowed so many PT to FT shifts. Then if the company can use how they see fit the PT. There will not any bickering about they took a FT shift away as you would already have the FT employees. Now that would be a whole lot easier to monitor than counting how many hours and what are the times of a PT shift.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yes. But first to clarify, we are only speaking of the 6.5 before. Clt does not have back to back 4, or 5 hour shifts, at least they didn’t have. I am not there for the bid now. It was the 6.5 back to back that was the issue. And yes Phl does have those too. But if it’s back to back to back as Tim is saying, then yes it needs to be grieved and I have already posted that I would check with the committee.

Im in ord and i know your stations bid better than you do? Fairbanks?
And you are saying im my own worst enemy? Cmon maaaan, how bout you and fairbanks start doing your jobs?
You know the bid so dont act like you didnt, its been this way 4th here for about a year now. Good Grief Charlie Brown!
I hate telling you guys how to do your job. Arbitrate this crap now!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Btw, how bout looking at the daily ramp relief schedule at YOUR station which lets pt take ot for full time absences. Clt is out of control cuz nobody is home.

 

[Insatiable]

With that negotiated all the stations would be staffed by the same ratio. Everyone wins we are all happy now let’s move onto the next item so we can get a TA out to our members.

 

[Insatiable]

Ratio, Ratio, that is the way to go! Catchy little phrase don’t you think?

 

[charlie Brown]

Btw, how bout looking at the daily ramp relief schedule at YOUR station which lets pt take ot for full time absences. Clt is out of control cuz nobody is home.

How about not listening to everything your little boy says. He’s always crying about overtime, and he is right about being bypassed about 10% of the time. Has he been the the grievance office? He used to have no problem coming in or contacting me. You go ahead and bash Clt about how our of control we are. You’ll find out just how much soon enough.

 

[Albert]

Tim you just got a “Winner” stamp and big Thumbs Up Aaayyyyyyy from The Weez.

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Come on Weez you are giving Tim to much credit he was going to a carnival near Wrigley but was to short to go on half the rides so he picketed instead

 

[Tim Nelson]

How about not listening to everything your little boy says. He’s always crying about overtime, and he is right about being bypassed about 10% of the time. Has he been the the grievance office? He used to have no problem coming in or contacting me. You go ahead and bash Clt about how our of control we are. You’ll find out just how much soon enough.

Just do your job. Dude, you know the clt schedule. Stop lying. You flipped $$$.
Clean up that back to back. Do it! Im tired of having to do your job.

 

[Insatiable]

If the Insurance ordeal is slowing down the negotiations then how about considering this? What if you take the total membership from both sides (ex. 30,000 members IAM & TWU). Take the LUS insurance premium that the company would pay for each employee and total that up. Then take the LAA insurance premium and total that up for each employee that the company would pay. Now since we have all heard that money and top out is not an issue and take the higher premium that the company would pay (LUS) and then subtract the lower premium that the company would pay (LAA) and get that total. Now we have all heard that top out would be around $36 after 5 years. What if we negotiated to the company that we will keep the (LUS) insurance and top out will be $36. But if we have to take the (LAA) insurance then you take the premium the company would save and divide that by the membership and that amount would be formulated to increase the top out to say (ex. $38) and this adjusting every year in between with say $2 per hour. Then you would have a pretty close value for what the insurance would cost the company and the employees.

 

[Insatiable]

Could be a great conversion to have with each collective group.

 

[wings396]

Robbed
You do know that that is in your current contract don’t you? We have a few stations that use them today. I don’t see us losing that in the jcba.

I believe that the 10hr day can be voted on by any given station. I'm not in favor of them, as they're swap and OT killers IMO.
They eliminate the possibility of working a double, which wipes out swap deals that many people count on. Also only leaves your days off to work a full OT shift.

 

[Albert]

I believe that the 10hr day can be voted on by any given station. I'm not in favor of them, as they're swap and OT killers IMO.
They eliminate the possibility of working a double, which wipes out swap deals that many people count on. Also only leaves your days off to work a full OT shift.

But you'd have three of them and more than likely they would be only a small percentage of the shifts

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yes. But first to clarify, we are only speaking of the 6.5 before. Clt does not have back to back 4, or 5 hour shifts, at least they didn’t have. I am not there for the bid now. It was the 6.5 back to back that was the issue. And yes Phl does have those too. But if it’s back to back to back as Tim is saying, then yes it needs to be grieved and I have already posted that I would check with the committee.

stop with the 4 hour stuff right now. Who the heck did the mind job on you, fairbanks?
Ord never had 4 hr pt shifts. We had 6 hr, sometimes 6.5. When i was chair...even on committe 2 years ago after the merger, i filed a grievance and they changed the bid and got 1.5 hrs.
At any rate, you Will arbitrate or step up now after i called you out on this. Your members will appreciate when you get the new bid worked out. My bet is that you wont have to arbitrate if you quit drinking fairbanks kool aid and let managements boy fairbanks know that you are goin to finally wear big boy pants. And if you have to arbitrate then make sure you get the right testimony and history. Dont lose on purpose by presenting a shiatie case.

 

[WeAAsles]

I believe that the 10hr day can be voted on by any given station. I'm not in favor of them, as they're swap and OT killers IMO.
They eliminate the possibility of working a double, which wipes out swap deals that many people count on. Also only leaves your days off to work a full OT shift.

That’s why it existed for only one bid in DFW also before members voted it out.

Personally I’d LOVE it. But that’s me personally.

 

[charlie Brown]

Just do your job. Dude, you know the clt schedule. Stop lying. You flipped $$$.
Clean up that back to back. Do it! Im tired of having to do your job.

Sometimes I wonder where your coming from. Let’s let the members decide if I do my job and move on. I’m willing to accept what they decide. I always welcome elections. And you have never done any of my work. I know you wish, but that’s all you get to do. If Clt is so screwed up, looks like you would be dying to get down here ASAP. It could be a gold mine for you!! I said I would help you get down here. There are some break rooms that love for you to visit them. Especially those you used to work with years ago.