JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Would the TWU do that to their membership with the PT to FT ratio? Or have they already done that?

Um Dude, medication?

 

[737823]

WeAA do you consider Sito to be your union brother?

Josh

 

[Insatiable]

WeAA do you consider Sito to be your union brother?

Josh

Um Dude, medication?

I guess I will do medication over the other option most people prefer, the Union Koolaide.

 

[Insatiable]

It is all fun and games till someone loses an eye.

 

[Albert]

Tim will include anyone that gives him a leg up on the competition. Hookers, Midgets, Dancers, Clowns you name it. Tim will run the gamut.

He’ll also lie, cheat, steal, murder and mock to FINALLY one day get back to that Milk and Honey promised land of Wine, Women, Song and Cashola Ka Ching.

I can’t help but admire the boys perniciousness. Cutthroat and ruthless too.

Wait a minute Tim is going to be TWU how is he going to run for an IAM Office?Maybe he is holding things up for political purposes

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie brown, why arent you arbitrating the blatant back to back contract violations? You now have signed on to back to back to back at your home station. Team 1 0515-1015,1015,1645,1645-2315. Lower end of b con.
You say that you have fought this. Ive called out your bs and pointed how you refused to arbitrate this. The members wanna know.

Tim
You say you called my BS and I won’t answer you. Well I called your BS and you didn’t answer me, so what gives? But you are correct, I am a union rep and I should answer you, so ill go first. But you also should answer if I say you are spreading bs about what I am saying in the Clt break rooms briefings. You should tell everyone on here what I said. I’m sure if I answer you first then everyone on here would agree you shld answer me as well to stop the back and forth.
My answer.
Back to back pt shifts are checked on the bid by the local committee every bid. They did grieve 2 back to back shifts of 6.5 hours each. And it was turned over to me at the 3rd step. You do know that I don’t handle the grievance at steps 1& 2 don’t you? But the grievance for that was denied at step 3. I was advised by someone higher than Fairbanks or myself that we would not win that in arbitration due to the language.

Now you know all this already because you contacted me about what you were able to argue in Ord about 4 hour and 5 hour back to back shifts. And while I appreciated your point, I explained to you that this was about 2 shifts of 6.5. Not 4 or 5. You then stated that yea that’s a tough one there, maybe it can be worked out in negotiations. Surely you do remember this correct? If you don’t, then I am even more worried about you than I was. Now if we have 3 pt shifts back to back to back that can be covered by a 8 and 10 hour shift, then I would assume the grievance committee has filed a grievance since they are present for the bid. It takes time to get to me at the 3rd step. I’m not too proud to check with them and see. I agree that shld be grieved. I would think it has been. And no I don’t need Fairbanks permission. I do things my way, he does things his way. We don’t really get in each other’s way. Now there, I answered you, so now I will wait for your answer.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
You say you called my BS and I won’t answer you. Well I called your BS and you didn’t answer me, so what gives? But you are correct, I am a union rep and I should answer you, so ill go first. But you also should answer if I say you are spreading bs about what I am saying in the Clt break rooms briefings. You should tell everyone on here what I said. I’m sure if I answer you first then everyone on here would agree you shld answer me as well to stop the back and forth.
My answer.
Back to back pt shifts are checked on the bid by the local committee every bid. They did grieve 2 back to back shifts of 6.5 hours each. And it was turned over to me at the 3rd step. You do know that I don’t handle the grievance at steps 1& 2 don’t you? But the grievance for that was denied at step 3. I was advised by someone higher than Fairbanks or myself that we would not win that in arbitration due to the language.

Now you know all this already because you contacted me about what you were able to argue in Ord about 4 hour and 5 hour back to back shifts. And while I appreciated your point, I explained to you that this was about 2 shifts of 6.5. Not 4 or 5. You then stated that yea that’s a tough one there, maybe it can be worked out in negotiations. Surely you do remember this correct? If you don’t, then I am even more worried about you than I was. Now if we have 3 pt shifts back to back to back that can be covered by a 8 and 10 hour shift, then I would assume the grievance committee has filed a grievance since they are present for the bid. It takes time to get to me at the 3rd step. I’m not too proud to check with them and see. I agree that shld be grieved. I would think it has been. And no I don’t need Fairbanks permission. I do things my way, he does things his way. We don’t really get in each other’s way. Now there, I answered you, so now I will wait for your answer.

Anyone can file a grievance. You dont have to wait. Especially these big ones. At any rate, i like your answer other than the person blocking arbitration. Its a winning grievance. Proper research would get testimony from those involved before its argued. We never had 4 hr shifts here. 6 mostly. And i employed the nelson rule...1.5. Harbison just didnt wanna deal with fighting me on it since i would drag him and the agc thru the mud. Very very squeaky wheel. Whatever the case, its winnable. Whoever told you that it wasnt arbitratable didnt know where the language came from or its early application on our property. At any rate, no way in hell should you guys be letting grover pants you with a hat trick...back to back to back. If that even goes to step 3 id be surprised. Thanks for answering.

 

[WeAAsles]

Anyone can file a grievance. You dont have to wait. Especially these big ones. At any rate, i like your answer other than the person blocking arbitration. Its a winning grievance. Proper research would get testimony from those involved before its argued. We never had 4 hr shifts here. 6 mostly. And i employed the nelson rule...1.5. Harbison just didnt wanna deal with fighting me on it since i would drag him and the agc thru the mud. Very very squeaky wheel. Whatever the case, its winnable. Whoever told you that it wasnt arbitratable didnt know where the language came from or its early application on our property. At any rate, no way in hell should you guys be letting grover pants you with a hat trick...back to back to back. If that even goes to step 3 id be surprised. Thanks for answering.

Quite undignified and unhonorable for you to not answer CB now Tim?

You need to play fair if you really want people to support you.

 

[charlie Brown]

Thx for the answer CB. I was very curious about that. So there are 2 different nego's sessions from fleet and mechanics? Or there are 2 different groups nego within the same contract? I am a little confused at why the differences are so prevident. Where do we go from here?

The executive team negotiated for both the fleet and mechanics group. Ex: they will negotiate the overtime article for mechanics. And then for fleet. Once they get what they think is a deal good enough to t/a, they will present it to the respective negotiating team either mechanics or fleet to look it over with the whole team. The executive team will answer any questions we have about it, then we let them know if we think it is doable for a t/a. This is how the talks have gone since the executive team took over the talks. Hope this answers your question.

 

[WeAAsles]

Wait a minute Tim is going to be TWU how is he going to run for an IAM Office?Maybe he is holding things up for political purposes

Something supposedly in the Association agreement where you can have your cake and eat it too I was informed a while back?

Besides no one really wants Tim to come to their city anyway. Better he just stays where he is so people can avoid him.

 

[charlie Brown]

Anyone can file a grievance. You dont have to wait. Especially these big ones. At any rate, i like your answer other than the person blocking arbitration. Its a winning grievance. Proper research would get testimony from those involved before its argued. We never had 4 hr shifts here. 6 mostly. And i employed the nelson rule...1.5. Harbison just didnt wanna deal with fighting me on it since i would drag him and the agc thru the mud. Very very squeaky wheel. Whatever the case, its winnable. Whoever told you that it wasnt arbitratable didnt know where the language came from or its early application on our property. At any rate, no way in hell should you guys be letting grover pants you with a hat trick...back to back to back. If that even goes to step 3 id be surprised. Thanks for answering.

Well gee thanks for letting me know anyone can file a grievance. Think I got that back in steward 101. But I said that I would check to see if that is actually the case and see if they filed one. They are sitting right there for the bid. And I would agree if it’s 3 back to back, we need to fight that. Now if your thankful that I answered you, now answer me. What did I say in the Clt break rooms to stall talks and go to section 6. A lot of members want to know this also Tim. Many members that were sitting right there and heard what I said. So explain it to them about what I said.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well gee thanks for letting me know anyone can file a grievance. Think I got that back in steward 101. But I said that I would check to see if that is actually the case and see if they filed one. They are sitting right there for the bid. And I would agree if it’s 3 back to back, we need to fight that. Now if your thankful that I answered you, now answer me. What did I say in the Clt break rooms to stall talks and go to section 6. A lot of members want to know this also Tim. Many members that were sitting right there and heard what I said. So explain it to them about what I said.

You mentioned section 6 to clt and clp. Your own people in clp verified this on fb. Others in clt as well. Im not goin to dime out who in clt but written testimony from clp is still on fb from legit members.
The actions of not joining us on picketing also confirms this as your negotiations will never go anywhere if parker sees everyone supporting our picket but iam leadership. Everyone knows how bad it looks.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well gee thanks for letting me know anyone can file a grievance. Think I got that back in steward 101. But I said that I would check to see if that is actually the case and see if they filed one. They are sitting right there for the bid. And I would agree if it’s 3 back to back, we need to fight that. Now if your thankful that I answered you, now answer me. What did I say in the Clt break rooms to stall talks and go to section 6. A lot of members want to know this also Tim. Many members that were sitting right there and heard what I said. So explain it to them about what I said.

10 Hours of Cricket Chirpings.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh maybe I’m wrong and Tim just stepped on those Crickets? Tim just dipped his balls in hot metal and they’re drying into steel.

 

[charlie Brown]

You mentioned section 6 to clt and clp. Your own people in clp verified this on fb. Others in clt as well. Im not goin to dime out who in clt but written testimony from clp is still on fb from legit members.
The actions of not joining us on picketing also confirms this as your negotiations will never go anywhere if parker sees everyone supporting our picket but iam leadership. Everyone knows how bad it looks.

Ahh there you go!! See that didn’t hurt too bad did it?? And you are 100% correct, I have mentioned section 6 probably in every break room I have briefed. It’s called educating the membership. They need to know the difference between section 6 talks and what we are in now. And I’ve also been asked probably in every break room what happens if we can’t reach an agreement now. So these are the reasons section 6 came up, nothing to do with stalling. And I didn’t ask you to dime anyone out. I don’t need that info. I already have it. I have several people that let’s me know who they are. Your not the only one with connections my friend.
And let’s just clarify now that everyone knows what I said( thanks for admitting it) if you go back and read my email,that you called fraud, that’s how I explained I used section 6 talks in the break rooms. Answering questions about section 6 is in no way stalling!!!