JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

???????? 30.81x40 = x52 =$64,084 holiday 30.81x8=x7=$1,725 $64,084 + $1,725 =65,809 taint no wheres near 70G, let Bob do the math from now on

Do it again but try it with these numbers.

JCBA guess:

$32.00 per hour. .50 shift differential (afternoon on)
10 Holidays Double Time. $32.00 x 8 x 10 =

There's your 70k

Oh and I didn't even put in anything on what the Company is going to put in to a 401k match per year/ or contributions to the possible IAMNPF yearly. (Add between $3000 to $5000 on that)

After that it's hard to average out what they're individual Medical expenditures per person or family might be because we have some good, eat well, fit families and then we have some fat slob, pig families out there that cost us all money. Oops.

 

[WeAAsles]

I had a hard time opening the pdf on my mobile device; however, I found a hard copy at work. The 11-year point when AA topped-out in pay was at the 2/3's mark on the combined list, which is far below the 80% I suspected, but clearly a majority. The AA list from 5 years ago reflected the aftermath of bankruptcy low seniority furloughs and did not include the lower seniority of a combined US agents, not to mention, the recent surge of new hires.

The point I was making would still be valid insofar that having everyone at full-time and completely eliminate part-time would be an expensive proposition for the Company as a sizable number would be around the $30/hour mark. Even at "just" $20/hour average it would still be expensive. Also consider that if everyone was placed as full-time, that would eliminate the very bottom of low cost part-timers.

I have a better chance at getting that date with Jennifer Anniston than any of us have of getting the Company to agree to dump PT jobs.

 

[Albert]

Do it again but try it with these numbers.

JCBA guess:

$32.00 per hour. .50 shift differential (afternoon on)
10 Holidays Double Time. $32.00 x 8 x 10 =

There's your 70k

Oh and I didn't even put in anything on what the Company is going to put in to a 401k match per year/ or contributions to the possible IAMNPF yearly. (Add between $3000 to $5000 on that)

After that it's hard to average out what they're individual Medical expenditures per person or family might be because we have some good, eat well, fit families and then we have some fat slob, pig families out there that cost us all money. Oops.

You are jumping the gun there buddy.So I guess anything less will be a disappointment, wait until it is in writing

 

[WeAAsles]

You are jumping the gun there buddy.So I guess anything less will be a disappointment, wait until it is in writing

Highly doubt inevitably we won't hit those numbers. And even if the $32.00 isn't an absolute hit DOS it's going to be very close. Particularly if anyone wants the TA to pass.

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey Al I also forgot to add the Profit Sharing as well. I have to assume now that Delta has gone back to their old formula, AA Management is going to need to have at least a conversation about it.

 

[AANOTOK]

I had a hard time opening the pdf on my mobile device; however, I found a hard copy at work. The 11-year point when AA topped-out in pay was at the 2/3's mark on the combined list, which is far below the 80% I suspected, but clearly a majority. The AA list from 5 years ago reflected the aftermath of bankruptcy low seniority furloughs and did not include the lower seniority of a combined US agents, not to mention, the recent surge of new hires.

The point I was making would still be valid insofar that having everyone at full-time and completely eliminate part-time would be an expensive proposition for the Company as a sizable number would be around the $30/hour mark. Even at "just" $20/hour average it would still be expensive. Also consider that if everyone was placed as full-time, that would eliminate the very bottom of low cost part-timers.

The "wildcard" here would be outsourcing. While AA's letter only mentioned catering and deicing, P.Rez stated their were other Fleet jobs AA wanted to eliminate via outsource. I have heard that anything Fleet has partially outsourced now, they want to completely go that route. Cargo for instance, you finish outsourcing that department, you pay three folks $10 and hour for the price you pay one of us. That's not even taking into account the benefits. The more AA can do that, the less need for Part time and they still save money.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Wage at 30.81
Differential at .50
Holidays 7/10
401k match 5.5%

Total $70460.02 per year

 

[Albert]

Wage at 30.81
Differential at .50
Holidays 7/10
401k match 5.5%

Total $70460.02 per year

Weez said not counting 401. I could just imagine what you tell the strippers you make

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez said not counting 401. I could just imagine what you tell the strippers you make

Doesn't matter. Sometimes I just have the uncontrollable need to point this out when some conversations (Or comments) begin to get a little ridiculous.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/wkyeng.pdf

 

[Albert]

Doesn't matter. Sometimes I just have the uncontrollable need to point this out when some conversations (Or comments) begin to get a little ridiculous.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/wkyeng.pdf

I wasn't complaining I was merely point out that were generous with your numbers, Oddly too considering there are no chicks on here to impress

 

[WeAAsles]

I wasn't complaining I was merely point out that were generous with your numbers, Oddly too considering there are no chicks on here to impress

I know you weren't Al. Just one comment keeps getting on my nerves. "The America West mentality" Beyond ridiculous to compare anything we have today to AMW. Absolutely ridiculous.

We're all a LONG way removed from making $12.00 per hour or whatever the hell it was a Ramper made over there back then? If I was a former AMW guy I'd be screaming JACKPOT at the top of my lungs every day. (Piedmont too)

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Check my math please to make sure my formula is correct.

2000 Hours paid at straight time (the holidays are not figured into this amount)
120 Hours of holiday pay (this is 10 holidays paid at time and a half)
2120 Total hours of straight pay and holiday pay combined
X32 Dollars per hour
*67,840 Total pay of regular and holiday pay

2080 Standard hours worked per year
X .50 Shift differential
*1040 Total amount of shift differential per year


*67,840 Total pay of regular and holiday pay
*1040 Total amount of shift differential per year
*68880 Total pay for one year

 

[pjirish317]

First of all when did I say what you will most likely (PAY) when it comes to Medical Insurance? I did just say that I get the feeling that it's already a done deal now though?

I think frankly many of you guys are obsessed on the issue though. With your Holidays if you're topped out you're going to go up to around $70,000 per year (Without working any extra hours) I'm not so sure in that area at least it's the Company I can call greedy?

And your "better plans" want me to FCK people I know and work with to either get or you to keep. Sorry Irish, you need to go back to the drawing board and figure out a better solution if you want my vote or support.

You vote your way I will vote mine. If you think for one second, that "if" our medical cost structure and plans are included into any JCBA that it will not pass, you are being delusional. Just like I completely understand that "if" we lose our medical for $$$$$ per hour and more holidays/vacation, it will pass. Maybe you should talk to some of your P/T friends you know and show them the comparison of our 80/20 and your "value" 80/20 costs. They come out ahead even paying double what a F/T pays. And I am talking the family plans here weez. Heck it is even less that the LAA "standard" plan. So spare me the dramatics on how we have screwed over our P/Ters for good insurance. and they would just about break even with our 90/10 family plan. where it hurts is the 100% plan. So check bobs numbers again, show your P/T friends and see where it lands.

LAA P/T Family: $335.65 for the "standard" plan and $653.38 for the "Value" plan, and they are just 80/20 plans
LUS P/T Family: $212.98 for our 80/20 plan and $621.86 for our better 90/10 plan. Either way it is cheaper for your P/T LAA folks to come to our insurance. I don't see why you have a problem with this, just look at the numbers.

 

[Jester]

We're all a LONG way removed from making $12.00 per hour or whatever the hell it was a Ramper made over there back then? If I was a former AMW guy I'd be screaming JACKPOT at the top of my lungs every day. (Piedmont too)

When I started working for AW, if I had publicly stated in the break room that someday we will be making over 4x more than our starting pay, I think a Manager would have required me to submit to a drug test. Trust me... it hasn't been lost upon me having been lucky enough to bet on the right horse this time around, especially as I seriously considered applying to Southwest due to the huge pay disparities.

 

[pjirish317]

LAA F/T and P/T Family LUS P/T Family

Standard Value 80/20 90/10

$335.65 $653.38 $212.98 (Saving of $122.67) $621.86 (Savings of $31.52)

(Savings of $440.40 if they had the “value plan”)

(90/10 is $286.21 more than the “Standard Plan”)


I will concede that the 100% plan is crazy expensive for P/T. But what you are asking the LUS folks to do weez is worse than what we are asking the LAA P/T folks to do. You can talk about how much we “gained” in the last 18 months or so, but you guys also gained that. The LAA P/T folks will gain $$$$$ a month with either plan. Unless every single P/T LAA has the “standard” plan and opts for the LUS 90/10 plan, then they all lose money, but you and I both know that is not the case is it. A vast Majority of P/T LAA folks will have more in their check each check no matter what. Yet you ask ALL of the LUS folks to lose $$$$$ per check. Why is that weez? The numbers do not lie. I would lose $273.45 a check. Times that by 26 checks and I lose $7109 a year. While an LAA P/T person gains $220.20 a check or $5725 a year at most. Stick with your ideology there weez. You are advocating that a F/T LUS person with the 80/20 family plan lose at most $7109 a year and at least $2980 a year while an LAA P/T person stands to gain at most $5725 a year and $1595 at least a year? Why?