JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[swamt]

NYer,

Thank you for being honest. I agree with what you say 100%. I just can't see why you guys don't fight for the better medical, instead of giving up on it. Because it seems that way to me with the above statement.




Weez,

I absolutely think you guys should have the same stuff as we do. Contractually you do not though. How am I going to advocate that you guys have the same as us when their are 2 vastly different CBA's? That will not change until a JCBA is reached, and yes I hope sooner rather than later. I just do not want to get one just for the sake OF getting one. KNOWWHATIMEAN? As I said before, If we give anything up during these negotiations, ANYTHING AT ALL, what do you think the company will do next time around when the money isn't rolling in as it is now? Millions instead of billions. They will remind us that we "gave" up the better medical during great times, so what are we going to give up now that the times aren't so great? See my point? This isn't a live to fight another day type of thing. We should be fighting now for all that we can get.

pj, I too have been asking the same. Why aren't they fighting for the better LUS medical? I have read so many post that claim they are ok or at least make it read like they are ok with going with the LAA medical which is a concession between the two medical choices. An ILC is not ILC if not in all areas not just pay. Weez likes to claim that it's not a concession as long as with all your raises and improvements as a whole outweigh the takes and concessions. I think the LAA guys as well as the LUS guys should have the best of both contracts all rapped into the JCBA. Take the best of each and put it in the JCBA, that's how it should be, as promised.

 

[Albert]

We fought for the medical since 2007.

During and after the bankruptcy, it became very apparent how the medical was their number 1 priority. Ever before the bankruptcy, when we were in mediation, the representative from the NMB made it very clear that the country is changing and they were not going to declare for an impasse on the basis of our position on the pension and the medical.

Since then, the medical has been shoved down every union's throat, on the property, when their negotiations ended with a CBA. Aside from that, other unions in the industry also accepted inferior medical from what they had which will just make it more of a priority for the Company and a bigger challenge for us.

If we had the medical, we'd probably be on the same wavelength in order to keep it. We aren't in that position so we're concentrating on trying to get enhancements in other areas, especially those currently enjoyed by the IAM in LUS.

If medical is such a big issue and AA is self insured as the Weez has pointed out numerous times. Why does the company hire 10 extra workers just to cut back overtime? Those 10 workers could cost millions in medical expenses. Are we absolutely sure they are self insured?

 

[Albert]

pj, I too have been asking the same. Why aren't they fighting for the better LUS medical? I have read so many post that claim they are ok or at least make it read like they are ok with going with the LAA medical which is a concession between the two medical choices. An ILC is not ILC if not in all areas not just pay. Weez likes to claim that it's not a concession as long as with all your raises and improvements as a whole outweigh the takes and concessions. I think the LAA guys as well as the LUS guys should have the best of both contracts all rapped into the JCBA. Take the best of each and put it in the JCBA, that's how it should be, as promised.

You would think

 

[WeAAsles]

Realy! And just how would you judge me, yes I am judgemental. I know you like to be the Mr. Rogers on this forum, and I do find it entertaining that you're spewing rainbows and unicorns on the things you and all of us will be voting on eventually. But you dismiss what I say as moot? As far as the LUS camp getting the less expensive Ins, as far as I concerned, let them keep it for good. And as far as the part time thing, you might take notice from the up dates, that subject hasn't been TAed yet buddy boy.

Bob put down your sword. I didn't say your opinion was moot, I said that the issue is "probably" moot?

And as far as your last sentence. To quote Shakespeare, "All the Worlds a stage"

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob put down your sword. I didn't say your opinion was moot, I said that the issue is "probably" moot?

And as far as your last sentence. To quote Shakespeare, "All the Worlds a stage"

I was reading from another post that they might distribute in December, is that confirmed of rumor.

 

[WeAAsles]

pj, I too have been asking the same. Why aren't they fighting for the better LUS medical? I have read so many post that claim they are ok or at least make it read like they are ok with going with the LAA medical which is a concession between the two medical choices. An ILC is not ILC if not in all areas not just pay. Weez likes to claim that it's not a concession as long as with all your raises and improvements as a whole outweigh the takes and concessions. I think the LAA guys as well as the LUS guys should have the best of both contracts all rapped into the JCBA. Take the best of each and put it in the JCBA, that's how it should be, as promised.

Go back to the beginning and find the word, "promise" OR

Find me a comment like say "We will secure" even? (Unions use those terms a lot)

Find me something that implies a very weird absolute such as Doug Parkers comment that AA will "NEVER" lose money again.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Just what did the TWU do with the stock? Did they cash it in at a high number and invest it or is it still in shares. The letter the union put out has the wrong estimated number of qualified employees.

Union said: 23000
Actual : 20324
WTF!

 

[WeAAsles]

If medical is such a big issue and AA is self insured as the Weez has pointed out numerous times. Why does the company hire 10 extra workers just to cut back overtime? Those 10 workers could cost millions in medical expenses. Are we absolutely sure they are self insured?

Al how many 18 to 24 year olds actually use the Medical? I hired in at 30 and it took me many years before I even had my first annual checkup.

 

[WeAAsles]

Just what did the TWU do with the stock? Did they cash it in at a high number and invest it or is it still in shares. The letter the union put out has the wrong estimated number of qualified employees.

Union said: 23000
Actual : 20324
WTF!

Bob I'm beginning to think to think you get a little too wrapped up in your numbers?

Are you forgetting that some people have retired and died since the Lawsuit was first filed? They and their designated beneficiaries are still entitled to funds.

 

[Albert]

Al how many 18 to 24 year olds actually use the Medical? I hired in at 30 and it took me many years before I even had my first annual checkup.

I agree I was referring to wives and children. I also know people who would go to the emergency room for a yellow-jacket sting and no they aren't allergic

 

[WeAAsles]

I was reading from another post that they might distribute in December, is that confirmed of rumor.

I'll stick with what Mike Mays put out. Everything else is rumor, hearsay and innuendo. Or better known as blather.

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree I was referring to wives and children. I also know people who would go to the emergency room for a yellow-jacket sting and no they aren't allergic

Most 18 to 24 year olds don't have wives and children. Even in Arkansas.

 

[NYer]

If medical is such a big issue and AA is self insured as the Weez has pointed out numerous times. Why does the company hire 10 extra workers just to cut back overtime? Those 10 workers could cost millions in medical expenses. Are we absolutely sure they are self insured?

The bigger issue with the PTers and the medical is our current LAA CS Policy which allows many to work 50% of their scheduled hours and still receive all their benefits. To them, as they've argued, those PTers cost them more in medical expenses than their return on investment to the Company. By going more towards the IAM Shift Swap language, they will weed out those PTers that are minimally working.

In MIA, the OT is abundant, but that seems to be coming to an end with the rumored language on OT being skewed more towards IAM than TWU.

 

[Albert]

The bigger issue with the PTers and the medical is our current LAA CS Policy which allows many to work 50% of their scheduled hours and still receive all their benefits. To them, as they've argued, those PTers cost them more in medical expenses than their return on investment to the Company. By going more towards the IAM Shift Swap language, they will weed out those PTers that are minimally working.

In MIA, the OT is abundant, but that seems to be coming to an end with the rumored language on OT being skewed more towards IAM than TWU.

How would going to the IAM policy cut down on OT? I'm not in a major hub perhaps rat could chime in about CLT O/T.

 

[NYer]

How would going to the IAM policy cut down on OT? I'm not in a major hub perhaps rat could chime in about CLT O/T.

On the LAA side, the OT language would have the FTers getting OT before a PTer can be extended even if covering a PT vacancy.