JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[robbedagain]

One internal divide that the company has effectively exploited. TWU vs. IAM. We play right into it.

sadly youre right I know in BWI its very very rampant with mgmt. exploiting it and unfortunately given the mgmt. in bwi I know of a (rather extraordinarily large) number of folks who have submitted transfers in for hubs and the exploitations go as far as mgmt. favoring certain individuals whiles others not so lucky The divide n conquer is sadly very rampant

 

[WeAAsles]

sadly youre right I know in BWI its very very rampant with mgmt. exploiting it and unfortunately given the mgmt. in bwi I know of a (rather extraordinarily large) number of folks who have submitted transfers in for hubs and the exploitations go as far as mgmt. favoring certain individuals whiles others not so lucky The divide n conquer is sadly very rampant

Robbed they are dividing TWU guys against IAM guys in BWI?

 

[robbedagain]

no as in the 2 yrs prior to the merger AA outsourced the ramp since the merger AA has had some AA mgmt. with US station mgr and some shift mgrs. working together and dividing and conquering folks to the point now that few of the some of the most senior agents (30 plus yrs) are now transferring out of BWI BWI is severely short now its only gonna get worse and with the current crappy mgmt. BWI has it is only going to get worse and I don't see an end to it Only 1 shop steward for the entire station and he is a lead agent there is so much I could say but I'm not gonna say much but I can assure you that Divide and Conquer is mgmt.'s preferred method in BWI regardless of whether its IAM/TWU or 1 or the other all of it must be stopped immediately

 

[AANOTOK]

AA is probably thanking the IAM leadership for helping with the division. When one union pickets for something two unions are striving for, then hell yes, the company will take advantage of that. They clearly see the IAM leadership is not supporting, endorsing or participating in any effort the TWU and it's membership is organizing to get the Association a JCBA and to stop the outsourcing of our jobs. Why would AA not take advantage of that, it's handed to them on a silver platter!

 

[WeAAsles]

no as in the 2 yrs prior to the merger AA outsourced the ramp since the merger AA has had some AA mgmt. with US station mgr and some shift mgrs. working together and dividing and conquering folks to the point now that few of the some of the most senior agents (30 plus yrs) are now transferring out of BWI BWI is severely short now its only gonna get worse and with the current crappy mgmt. BWI has it is only going to get worse and I don't see an end to it Only 1 shop steward for the entire station and he is a lead agent there is so much I could say but I'm not gonna say much but I can assure you that Divide and Conquer is mgmt.'s preferred method in BWI regardless of whether its IAM/TWU or 1 or the other all of it must be stopped immediately

Sorry to read all that Robbed. But I think those are more of a Station specific issue rather than a symptomatic red flag of a systemwide problem.

 

[robbedagain]

I think if you were to see this in say all the out cities excluding the hubs there be the pattern add in the hubs and its basically a hurricane if you will its just how I feel to me this is more than likely what goes on in all the smaller cities but the hubs have never cared for the smaller cities hence the picketing in the hubs I feel that if theres to be unified then it should be every dam mainline city big and small why limit it to the hubs its a darn good reason why mgmt. will always exploit divide and conquer employees in every city big and small its just far more noticed in the smaller cities like bwi

 

[WeAAsles]

I think if you were to see this in say all the out cities excluding the hubs there be the pattern add in the hubs and its basically a hurricane if you will its just how I feel to me this is more than likely what goes on in all the smaller cities but the hubs have never cared for the smaller cities hence the picketing in the hubs I feel that if theres to be unified then it should be every dam mainline city big and small why limit it to the hubs its a darn good reason why mgmt. will always exploit divide and conquer employees in every city big and small its just far more noticed in the smaller cities like bwi

Robbed it's not about a minimization of small cities against hubs for Picketing. Hubs just have far more people and far more people have more of an ability to be noticed.

 

[robbedagain]

yes true but its also a real good reason why there is so much discontent btwn the hubs and smaller cities At LUS back in 2005 the hubs favored plus adding PVD and BDL to class 1 cities to slam shut 50 cities in the LUS system shows hubs don't give a crap about small cities and the very valid reason why there may never be unity and if God forbid there was ever a strike I doubt very seriously the small cities would strike along side their "brothers and sisters" in the hubs Its just my own opin that if there is to be unified work force for the union association then it shall include small mainline cities in addition to the hubs

 

[WeAAsles]

yes true but its also a real good reason why there is so much discontent btwn the hubs and smaller cities At LUS back in 2005 the hubs favored plus adding PVD and BDL to class 1 cities to slam shut 50 cities in the LUS system shows hubs don't give a crap about small cities and the very valid reason why there may never be unity and if God forbid there was ever a strike I doubt very seriously the small cities would strike along side their "brothers and sisters" in the hubs Its just my own opin that if there is to be unified work force for the union association then it shall include small mainline cities in addition to the hubs

Might want to convince your Union to join us in a little good old fashioned picketing first Robbed.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I hate to say it but Al is right here on this one. I haven't seen "IAM" on any letter of support, banner, T-shirt or even Post Card?

That's NOT the Company "choosing" to make that decision.

You may also didn't notice that in all the pickets to date, it's been all about job losses for the MX, and shipping the work overseas.

 

[bob@las-AA]

yes true but its also a real good reason why there is so much discontent btwn the hubs and smaller cities At LUS back in 2005 the hubs favored plus adding PVD and BDL to class 1 cities to slam shut 50 cities in the LUS system shows hubs don't give a crap about small cities and the very valid reason why there may never be unity and if God forbid there was ever a strike I doubt very seriously the small cities would strike along side their "brothers and sisters" in the hubs Its just my own opin that if there is to be unified work force for the union association then it shall include small mainline cities in addition to the hubs

What you describe about the hubs not giving any love to the smaller stations has been, to my understanding, is totally unavoidable, for the pure fact that, for at least in this hub (i.e DFW) holds the most number of senior clerks in the system. That just the way it is. You could do what Timmy is doing and transferring to CLT.

 

[robbedagain]

I cld but i also shld say why should i up root commute not see my special needs kid. We are all members of the Association. We should never have the type discontent and because of this discontent mgmt in every station n on up take full advantages

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I believe the primary reason the Association was agreed to was to protect represented jobs.

Wrong.

Association Agreement was and remains a fly in the soup for the company.

Wrong again.

Two unions, with two completely different structures, representing two respective groups interests, remains a challenge internally and I'm certain at the table.

Now you are starting to get it.

A challenge I am hopeful we can all (combined membership and respective leadership/committees) overcome.

You ever call a support line only to get transferred to one useless person after another, get asked to provide the same information repeatedly, endure multiple wait times, only to give up out of frustration? That is what the Association is. It is something designed to frustrate you to the point you just give up and settle. It was designed to be broken from the beginning.

Let me repeat myself for clarity.

IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE BROKEN FROM THE BEGINNING.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Actually, i saw that the iam had a petition filed against them to decertify them at expressjet on monday. Last stew group. If there is a vote then its likely that the iam loses that 1,900 group.

Tim you lost credibility with me when you posted that letter claiming the catering companies were going on strike. Nowhere in that letter did I see a mention of a strike.

I also question what gives a catering company the nerve to ask airlines to earmark money for their medical plans, especially when AA employees are in the middle of a contract negotiation where healthcare is a hot button item.

The whole thing just does not sit well with me. The audacity and foolishness of that letter makes me doubt its authenticity.

Then again we live in a world where fast food workers think they deserve 15 dollars an hour and people choose to pursue long term careers in entry level jobs that qualify for food stamps.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The future of our representation was nonetheless considered under this merger plan. It may have been that, only after learning of this Association Agreement, between the two unions, the company supported the idea. Can't get an election, so agree to bargain with the newly created Association. Find the weaknesses, create and encourage division among the combined membership. MTC. and Related vs.Fleet. AA (TWU) vs. LUS (IAM). They continue with their game plan. Divide and Conquer!

The company obviously has been successful in choosing then dividing based on that economical choice of aligning with the iam minority. In return, the iam isnt in any hurry and has agreed to stand down by refusing even the most basic support letter. Seems to have worked out well for the iam AND us iam members.