JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

USAPA and AFA-CWA ultimately put the interests of their members ahead of their organizational structure and stepped aside. The TWU ultimately stepped aside after US/HP why can't the IAM grow a set and do the same? The IAM had no problem walking away with the mess TWA created for AA, why are they staying around this time?

Around thanksgiving 2013 (after the suit was dropped but before the trasnacation closed on 12/9/13) there were AFA reps at MIA trying to raid APFA and continue to beat the drum of merging.

The IAM is an insignificant union in the airline industry, their "clout", influence and numbers continue to diminish with each decertification and sell out contract they rubber stamp.

Josh

Actually, i saw that the iam had a petition filed against them to decertify them at expressjet on monday. Last stew group. If there is a vote then its likely that the iam loses that 1,900 group.

 

[charlie Brown]

The Association was created for and serves as a money/dues grab for the two incumbent "unions" on the property. It was pushed by the big money AFL-CIO and Trumka after what happened in 2005-06 at US/HP between the IAM and TWU. The IAM bargaining unit was much smaller at the much smaller USAIR. The TWU should have prevailed, no election and the LUS members would be integrated under the TWU CBA absent a sufficient showing of interest and subsequent representation election.

If the TWU had any balls they would have laughed off the IAM's sorry attempt to remain on the property collecting dues and proceeded to "repesent" the LUS members.

Josh[/QUOTE
Just trying to understand your post. Are you stating that it would have been better for the IAM members, if they would have came under the twu contract and not took part in the association?

 

[charlie Brown]

Messed up last post. But 737823 can you plz explain if you mean the IAM members would have been better off going to the twu contract?

 

[cltrat]

CB he doesn't even work here he's long had a burr under his saddle for the IAM, he and 700 were constantly sparring better off ignored imo

 

[charlie Brown]

CB he doesn't even work here he's long had a burr under his saddle for the IAM, he and 700 were constantly sparring better off ignored imo

Yea I know. But just wanting him to clarify his post. Some people have no clue on what they are talking about.

 

[ograc]

The Association was created for and serves as a money/dues grab for the two incumbent "unions" on the property. It was pushed by the big money AFL-CIO and Trumka after what happened in 2005-06 at US/HP between the IAM and TWU. The IAM bargaining unit was much smaller at the much smaller USAIR. The TWU should have prevailed, no election and the LUS members would be integrated under the TWU CBA absent a sufficient showing of interest and subsequent representation election.

If the TWU had any balls they would have laughed off the IAM's sorry attempt to remain on the property collecting dues and proceeded to "repesent" the LUS members.

Josh

I seem to have hit a nerve. The TWU "representing" the interests of former IAM LUS members, based on your opinion that it should have been dictated strictly by numbers, doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling. This is based on TWU's position on integration with previous mergers within the industry. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your opinion further supports the validity of the many obstacles that must be overcome internally with this Association.

 

[ograc]

Actually, the company wanted the association and notified the nmb that it wanted to voluntarily recognize the Association. Same thing it did with the CWA/IBT according to nmb docs.

The future of our representation was nonetheless considered under this merger plan. It may have been that, only after learning of this Association Agreement, between the two unions, the company supported the idea. Can't get an election, so agree to bargain with the newly created Association. Find the weaknesses, create and encourage division among the combined membership. MTC. and Related vs.Fleet. AA (TWU) vs. LUS (IAM). They continue with their game plan. Divide and Conquer!

 

[Albert]

The future of our representation was nonetheless considered under this merger plan. It may have been that, only after learning of this Association Agreement, between the two unions, the company supported the idea. Can't get an election, so agree to bargain with the newly created Association. Find the weaknesses, create and encourage division among the combined membership. MTC. and Related vs.Fleet. AA (TWU) vs. LUS (IAM). They continue with their game plan. Divide and Conquer!

The company is trying to divide us? I think we do a pretty good job ourselves,you make it sound like they had this planned, single out TWU/IAM and get the other 80,000 on board.I doubt it

 

[WeAAsles]

The future of our representation was nonetheless considered under this merger plan. It may have been that, only after learning of this Association Agreement, between the two unions, the company supported the idea. Can't get an election, so agree to bargain with the newly created Association. Find the weaknesses, create and encourage division among the combined membership. MTC. and Related vs.Fleet. AA (TWU) vs. LUS (IAM). They continue with their game plan. Divide and Conquer!

Where do some of you guys come up with this stuff? Seriously?

 

[WeAAsles]

The company is trying to divide us? I think we do a pretty good job ourselves,you make it sound like they had this planned, single out TWU/IAM and get the other 80,000 on board.I doubt it

Exactly.

 

[ograc]

Where do some of you guys come up with this stuff? Seriously?

Don't underestimate the opponent. It's all about divide and conquer. One Bargaining Unit at a time. The company is going to offer "industry leading' in all aspects of a JCBA. Really? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Try to sell that to Maintenance & Related..

 

[WeAAsles]

Don't underestimate the opponent. It's all about divide and conquer. One Bargaining Unit at a time. The company is going to offer "industry leading' in all aspects of a JCBA. Really? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Try to sell that to Maintenance & Related..

I hate to say it but Al is right here on this one. I haven't seen "IAM" on any letter of support, banner, T-shirt or even Post Card?

That's NOT the Company "choosing" to make that decision.

 

[ograc]

The company is trying to divide us? I think we do a pretty good job ourselves,you make it sound like they had this planned, single out TWU/IAM and get the other 80,000 on board.I doubt it

One Bargaining Group at a time. They already have many on board. Your assessment that we already do a pretty good job of dividing on our own is spot on unfortunately. The company only provides the environment to encourage such division. Have we, the combined membership, who have experienced this in previous negotiations, learned nothing? They are very calculating and often one move ahead. Reviewed, researched and planned. Bank on it.

 

[ograc]

I hate to say it but Al is right here on this one. I haven't seen "IAM" on any letter of support, banner, T-shirt or even Post Card?

That's NOT the Company "choosing" to make that decision.

One internal divide that the company has effectively exploited. TWU vs. IAM. We play right into it.

 

[WeAAsles]

One internal divide that the company has effectively exploited. TWU vs. IAM. We play right into it.

They have? Where?