JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[charlie Brown]

My statement stands. If you are honest you have no reason to not post. I won't be calling you or pm you. This is a forum. If you have a reason not to post. Maybe you should stay off the forum. And you can bet I always have my VERY BIG BOY pants on. I don't hide who I am on this forum. I wish someone could explain to me why so many people are so worried. The Truth Will Set U Free

And my statement stands!! And I guess we will disagree on what Big boy pants are. Congrats if you call that big boy pants!! Many people know me on here. And know I'll tell it like it is. Just telling you how I feel. Doesn't mean much to me, if you dont want to talk one on one. All it means to me, is that you choose not to get the correct information. Some people prefer to be in a position of ignorance so they can complain.

 

[charlie Brown]

I know CB, I do receive your updates and I have talked to you once on your cell. I do appreciate you being available to answer any concerns we/I may have, that is most definitely appreciated. I guess my concern is not you, but the NC and their updates in general. By you and Prez being the only two coming on here in public to give what you can, I guess it's only expected you two would get the wrath directed toward the whole Association. I do wish the TWU had someone who would do that. I guess the two who come close and seem a bit in the know are W and NYer (go figure, two best friends) lol...anyway, thanks CB for being available.

Call me anytime. The weas calls pretty often. As far as the info that's put out by the association? The IAM has never really released many details about negotiations. I'm not going to debate if that's the best approach or not, that's just how the IAM has always been. But we do get around to our breakrooms to explain in more detail. I'll be in breakrooms all next week since we aren't in negotiations. If there are stations out there that have lots of questions that need answered? Let us know. Can't make promises due to everyones schedule, but I will do what i can to get someone there to brief and answer questions.

 

[Black Magic]

So far I haven't seen anything of note from the Association. Just more talks and talks and meetings and "we'll get them next time" lines. Hell, we'd still be under the bone head ratified previous contracts (which the IAM put forth during section 6 negotiations and company raking in millions), if anyone can remember that moronic move. The company graciously sidelined the association and put $ in the employees pocket at their own will but they will always be laughing at this labor group. We are going to get what the company says we are going to get and when they are ready to give it out. Association is just there for formalities which the company has no problem with.

 

[WeAAsles]

Call me anytime. The weas calls pretty often. As far as the info that's put out by the association? The IAM has never really released many details about negotiations. I'm not going to debate if that's the best approach or not, that's just how the IAM has always been. But we do get around to our breakrooms to explain in more detail. I'll be in breakrooms all next week since we aren't in negotiations. If there are stations out there that have lots of questions that need answered? Let us know. Can't make promises due to everyones schedule, but I will do what i can to get someone there to brief and answer questions.

That's "The Weez" man, not weas. Jeez sounds like you're calling me a freakin can of peas here.

Weez, Weez. Get it right next time.

 

[anotherdelay]

So far I haven't seen anything of note from the Association. Just more talks and talks and meetings and "we'll get them next time" lines. Hell, we'd still be under the bone head ratified previous contracts (which the IAM put forth during section 6 negotiations and company raking in millions), if anyone can remember that moronic move. The company graciously sidelined the association and put $ in the employees pocket at their own will but they will always be laughing at this labor group. We are going to get what the company says we are going to get and when they are ready to give it out. Association is just there for formalities which the company has no problem with.

true that. I don't comment on mx equation its none of my business, but I support them.

that said, you are correct that's the fleet contract. IF I WERE IAM AND TWU, i would counter with language that allows us to bid on overnight cleaning/cabin service, which should also be a totally separate contract than ours, in a horse trade for catering, which should allow some language that allows some catering guys to downgrade if they can't work the ramp.

Don't think anyone on the twu side is going to fight for the iampf, medical, or catering. so we'll see how this goes. What a mess. Chit truck and Cargo which both twu/iam do, saved. Thanks AA.

TWU show us, the fleet twu counter please.

 

[charlie Brown]

That's "The Weez" man, not weas. Jeez sounds like you're calling me a freakin can of peas here.

Weez, Weez. Get it right next time.

Sorry!!
WEEZ!!

 

[robbedagain]

truth will set u free: I don't know how long you been with either US or AA but the letter that company put out is sole purpose is to divide and conquer MGMT teams will go above and beyond the call of duty to conquer and divide membership knowing full dam well that some peeps will actually fall for their chit I know of a few idiots who actually will do anything for mgmt. and guess what when chit hits the fan it hits good A real good example of this is say a guy drives a tug out of airport property due to a medical issue no termination for that individual guess what then say someone has another incident and is out the door the guy who does favors for mgmt. gets off scott-free if you will mean while other agents sick n tired of the bs transfer out bec of this conquer and divide b.s. that keeps on going So when the company puts out a letter like that they know they can count on a few who will take their side rather than listen to the Association I know peeps are frustrated but in the end when there is a JCBA it shall be the industry leading one In the past DP has used this type tactical thing and before him LUS leaders had CH 11 to slam the employees into the cemetery Now fast fwd to today company making BILLIONS of dollars in profits We ought to have the industry leading everything

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

And my statement stands!! And I guess we will disagree on what Big boy pants are. Congrats if you call that big boy pants!! Many people know me on here. And know I'll tell it like it is. Just telling you how I feel. Doesn't mean much to me, if you dont want to talk one on one. All it means to me, is that you choose not to get the correct information. Some people prefer to be in a position of ignorance so they can complain.

I already know the correct information. If you did your homework you that I have played major rolls in the TWU for over 30 years. When I saw how dishonest MOST of the leaders was I didn't want any part of it. We have people here in Miami that was caught red handed stealing from the union. Put in bad standing and then allowed to take part in 591 a few years later. Also there are people on the board of 591 that was against taking away the maint locals to make 591. Until they got elected and voted themselves a VERY nice raise.Why don't they post how much they make a month. Now the they LOVE it. You don't want me to get started. Why Maintenance and Fleet was divided. I don't want to talk to you in private. Let's do it here. On this forum. Where everyone can here what is said. What's there to hide.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

truth will set u free: I don't know how long you been with either US or AA but the letter that company put out is sole purpose is to divide and conquer MGMT teams will go above and beyond the call of duty to conquer and divide membership knowing full dam well that some peeps will actually fall for their chit I know of a few idiots who actually will do anything for mgmt. and guess what when chit hits the fan it hits good A real good example of this is say a guy drives a tug out of airport property due to a medical issue no termination for that individual guess what then say someone has another incident and is out the door the guy who does favors for mgmt. gets off scott-free if you will mean while other agents sick n tired of the bs transfer out bec of this conquer and divide b.s. that keeps on going So when the company puts out a letter like that they know they can count on a few who will take their side rather than listen to the Association I know peeps are frustrated but in the end when there is a JCBA it shall be the industry leading one In the past DP has used this type tactical thing and before him LUS leaders had CH 11 to slam the employees into the cemetery Now fast fwd to today company making BILLIONS of dollars in profits We ought to have the industry leading everything

I have 32 years with AA. I am a AC Mech. In Miami. My Name is Larry Davis

 

[robbedagain]

ok I'm fleet LUS I don't want to reveal who I am but was hired by LUS 98 furloughed in 05 and recalled in 08 completed 19 yrs back at end of June

 

[Tim Nelson]

If true, shame on the union for not putting that out.

True. But the company put it out instead. As i said, the july proposal meant 1,000 job losses due to lost work. However, things changed since July.

The company clearly rattled the union today with a roar. I still believe the intended audience was strictly mx, not fleet.
And the company made sure to bust on the twu convention. Although there most likely is truth to the convention, i suspect that shot against the twu was due to the awesome picketing and awesome solidarity that the twu has continued to build. Ive never seen any solidarity from iam. They create enemies and keep them. The teamsters had good solidarity prior to the iam bosses.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Im putting out a pension video soon, but no later than monday. It will be very informative. Ive always been an advocate of all future company contributions going into a 401k instead of being dumped into the iam coffers which the iam will steal again. In America we say once bitten twice shy.

 

[Tim Nelson]

 

[CremaDiLimone]

The IAM has never really released many details about negotiations. I'm not going to debate if that's the best approach or not

when the company releases a clear PR/propaganda piece in an obvious attempt to win over a tiny % of fsc/mx...everything (protocol, professionalism) goes out the window. then let gary peterson release the humiliating details. clearly, that would be the popular thing to do.

i don't feel it's the right thing. don't fuel animosity, where this thing drags out...and no side will sign on anything due to spite.

we know, through here, the wage front. for many, it is THE issue. aa, not the assoc., gave us a glimpse at some other stuff, 401k, for example (6% match + 3% company contribution). we know that catering is an issue for LUS.

the deicing outsourcing will eventually bite aa in the azz. of this, i have no doubt...i just don't want to lose these seasonal jobs to prove a point to aa. i was not surprised that freight and lavs would not be outsourced.

back to wages, aa conveniently forgot to tell us about dl/ua profit sharing..what the workers from these airlines have pocketed and what they will pocket. i know what they will pocket, because doug parker tells the world that aa is a $5 billion a year in profit airline, going forward. if so, dl is a $5.5 billion a year airline and ua is a $3 billion a year airline.

we need to get over this 3% over dl/ua hurdle. parameters set by the company should not be any road-map to a TA. that is the insulting part, as the company insists on herding us like sheep to where they wish to take us. 3% more than dl is preposterous, 3% more than ua is absurd.

 

[Albert]

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I didn't watch your video but that punching bag appears to be in pristine brand new out of the box condition and those bicycle tires look like they never saw pavement