JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

To ALL ! TN as been playing this game of GOTCHA ! IAM D-141 E-Board going back to to his Piedmont days as a non-union CSA @ ORD . He has a flock of followers of maybe 20% ??? who worship his obsession of being a concerned Labor Union Leader. The Brother never met a Union Boss he loved to hate and then threw under the bus . For those that are biblical "beware of false profits" . My bet is the DOL re-run election will not be a distraction for the Ass. F/S JCBA negotiations, the results will be the same , and TN will continue to be a PT FS Agent/Clerk Player . Fish On !

Not a game at all. The federal government isnt interested in my games as opposed to your rights. This is about rights. And its really sad that we have a district that has not followed its bylaws for a fair election since 2008, and an intl that hasnt followed its own constitution by its own since 2010.
Upholding democracy is essential. All these guys have to do is have fair elections by following their bylaws. They know their bylaws best. Sad.

 

[Jester]

That 3rd RDO is well worth it! I'd take 4 10's in a heartbeat!

I reviewed the TWU contract and it even allows Part-Time to work three 8-hour shifts! The catch being that the shifts must be Fri., Sat. and Sun. OR Sat., Sun., and Mon. I am sure most Part-Time people would be all over those lines.

 

[NYer]

I reviewed the TWU contract and it even allows Part-Time to work three 8-hour shifts! The catch being that the shifts must be Fri., Sat. and Sun. OR Sat., Sun., and Mon. I am sure most Part-Time people would be all over those lines.

That cuts weekends for the FTers and it cuts FT heads with it.

 

[WeAAsles]

I reviewed the TWU contract and it even allows Part-Time to work three 8-hour shifts! The catch being that the shifts must be Fri., Sat. and Sun. OR Sat., Sun., and Mon. I am sure most Part-Time people would be all over those lines.

They call them Weekend Warriors. The premise being let PT work weekends so there are more weekends off for FT. That's why Sat Sun or a combination that includes those days is the only shifts they can work.

And yes it does cut down on FT heads. But all PT cuts down on FT heads doesn't it.

 

[NYer]

They call them Weekend Warriors. The premise being let PT work weekends so there are more weekends off for FT. That's why Sat Sun or a combination that includes those days is the only shifts they can work.

And yes it does cut down on FT heads. But all PT cuts down on FT heads doesn't it.

Not necessarily.

 

[anotherdelay]

after i had my kids and worked night shift for 5 years, 4 10's make the most sense for those swingers. Does delta, sw , or United have those type of shifts? Night shift will always be mostly staffed by single more junior people, who can't be that happy with their personal life or I guess are more loner types.Would make more sense as the operation slows down too.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not necessarily.

I'd love to read your opinion on that actually? Would you be against Weekend Warriors and 4/10 shifts here in MIA given the option?

 

[WeAAsles]

after i had my kids and worked night shift for 5 years, 4 10's make the most sense for those swingers. Does delta, sw , or United have those type of shifts? Night shift will always be mostly staffed by single more junior people, who can't be that happy with their personal life or I guess are more loner types.Would make more sense as the operation slows down too.

I had a 4/10 shift 25 years ago when I worked for FedEx. Fri, Sat, Sun off. It was FANTASTIC!!!!!

 

[NYer]

I'd love to read your opinion on that actually? Would you be against Weekend Warriors and 4/10 shifts here in MIA given the option?

Absolutely. In a large station, it causes a decline in FT and OT.

 

[Jester]

Absolutely. In a large station, it causes a decline in FT and OT.

4/10s are more likely to cut into PT positions, as the extra flight(s) in the additional 2 hours won't lead to more FT positions just to cover those couple of hours. Furthermore, 4/10s are the same as 5/8s in terms of hours, but one less person. If 5 people are needed, then another FT person will be added, not a PTer.

PT positions on 3/8s will reduce the available OT for FT positions as the FTers will be working the same days, thus leaving weekdays for those 3/8s PTers to cover instead.

 

[NYer]

4/10s are more likely to cut into PT positions, as the extra flight(s) in the additional 2 hours won't lead to more FT positions just to cover those couple of hours. Furthermore, 4/10s are the same as 5/8s in terms of hours, but one less person. If 5 people are needed, then another FT person will be added, not a PTer.

PT positions on 3/8s will reduce the available OT for FT positions as the FTers will be working the same days, thus leaving weekdays for those 3/8s PTers to cover instead.

If you have FTers working 5 days a week and they have weekends off which you cover with PTers, then you take away the need to have FT relief crews since the PTers are covering the days off, rather than a FTer on a relief crew.

For instance. You can have 10 crews with either FS, SS or SM off and their days off are covered by PTers working either FSS or SSM. At that point you don't need any FTers to covers days off which means a loss of FT relief crews.

At the same time, they can bring in more PTers on 4 and 5 hour shifts to cover the same peaks we have in the operation today.

Your PT numbers go up and your FT numbers go down.

 

[Filter]

10 hour shifts are more productive for the company...DFW had around 120 10 hour shifts for a bid and opened 5 more gates without adding a head...it's really simple math, 2 10s and a 4 covers a day instead of 3 8s...hence less FT and more PT...

 

[WeAAsles]

If you have FTers working 5 days a week and they have weekends off which you cover with PTers, then you take away the need to have FT relief crews since the PTers are covering the days off, rather than a FTer on a relief crew.

For instance. You can have 10 crews with either FS, SS or SM off and their days off are covered by PTers working either FSS or SSM. At that point you don't need any FTers to covers days off which means a loss of FT relief crews.

At the same time, they can bring in more PTers on 4 and 5 hour shifts to cover the same peaks we have in the operation today.

Your PT numbers go up and your FT numbers go down.

Ok but in theory if you had a solid cap on the amount of PT that the Company could bring in individualized per station, wouldn't those FT and PT heads just be shifted around to other areas of the operation?

Not to ever put down the great job MIA always does in getting as many FT shifts as possible to have weekends off, but I'm all for trying to figure out how to gain even more weekends off?

On your other answer I do understand your trepidation. But as far as QOL don't knock the 4/10 until you've tried it yourself. Even a highly limited locally agreed to amount would be appreciated by your most senior members who would leap on it.

 

[B737 driver]

after i had my kids and worked night shift for 5 years, 4 10's make the most sense for those swingers. Does delta, sw , or United have those type of shifts? Night shift will always be mostly staffed by single more junior people, who can't be that happy with their personal life or I guess are more loner types.Would make more sense as the operation slows down too.

SWA maint has 4 10's, that is how most ron shifts are, plus with the day trades swaps, if you can handle doing some double shifts, have 5 to 7 days off !!!

 

[Jester]

If you have FTers working 5 days a week and they have weekends off which you cover with PTers, then you take away the need to have FT relief crews since the PTers are covering the days off, rather than a FTer on a relief crew.

For instance. You can have 10 crews with either FS, SS or SM off and their days off are covered by PTers working either FSS or SSM. At that point you don't need any FTers to covers days off which means a loss of FT relief crews.

At the same time, they can bring in more PTers on 4 and 5 hour shifts to cover the same peaks we have in the operation today.

Your PT numbers go up and your FT numbers go down.

I don't think that addressed anything I discussed. I never mentioned a substitution of PT for FT people. Rather did I mention the ideas of 4/10s reducing FT count keeping in mind that if we look at total hours (PT and FT) if we have 5/8s and then 5/4s to cover flights, that's a total of 60 hours vs. 5/10's equals 50 hours (slightly more with a one day overlap). So the saving would be approximately 10 hours a day, which is 70 hours/weekly or nearly 2 FT positions.