JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Jester]

You mean like the Company saying that Station is staffed with American Airlines employees...........................In freakin Brazil !!!!!!

"Virtual booshite"

To be sure, lines can become blurred, as if hypothetically Brazilian ramp agents being hired by AA in GRU would probably be acceptable. Should we wash our own planes? Paint our own planes? Fuel our own planes? However, I am sure you are commenting on heavy maintenance which could be performed within the US, in-house instead of the expense and hassles of constructing facilities and moving aircraft 5,000 miles to another continent.

Personally, I am not comfortable with the lack of oversight in marginal 3rd world nations performing heavy checks on aircraft, and I doubt much of the American public would be either. It has been said that aviation regulations are written in blood and until something happens, airlines will be chasing the lowest costs.

 

[WeAAsles]

To be sure, lines can become blurred, as if hypothetically Brazilian ramp agents being hired by AA in GRU would probably be acceptable. Should we wash our own planes? Paint our own planes? Fuel our own planes? However, I am sure you are commenting on heavy maintenance which could be performed within the US, in-house instead of the expense and hassles of constructing facilities and moving aircraft 5,000 miles to another continent.

Personally, I am not comfortable with the lack of oversight in marginal 3rd world nations performing heavy checks on aircraft, and I doubt much of the American public would be either. It has been said that aviation regulations are written in blood and until something happens, airlines will be chasing the lowest costs.

Thanks for the correction Jester. Yes Heavy Maintenance and other jobs we should be doing in house, Union. A bud was driving me bananas wanting me to correct it.

Did he call you? lol.

 

[ograc]

I have two points to make about this post.

First point.
American Airlines employees no longer perform the security search or clean the interior of the aircraft.

Are you sure about that? Because in Tulsa (granted this was 4 years ago and FSC's have been outsourced since then) American Airlines (TULE employees doing work at TUL) employees did do security sweeps and overnight cleaning.

I am not debating the accuracy of the statement only saying it should be validated before being presented as fact.

Second point.
Provided this is all true why is this flier not in every magazine pouch in the whole fleet? Hide them in the American Ways for the passengers to find and sit back and watch the fun.

To your second point. What a novel idea. I'm sure that would get their attention along with their wrath. Could lead to termination investigations though.
To your first point. We damn well better verify the accuracy of the statement. Fleet is responsible for overnight (below wing) security checks in my station. Nothing worse than distributing misleading or false information.

 

[gulfcoast1]

You are correct WeAAsles. I have been on the front line in a small station for quite some time now. You are correct it is natural to have priorities based on the station you are working in. There needs to be a better understanding, however, that weak Scope language will have long term adverse affects on many members including those working in larger stations. I think you know what some of those are. Not JUST a small station issue. Or , at least, it shouldn't be.

I have many friends in smaller stations and work with people who want to return to their small stations now. I would like to see everyone get back home, or not have to leave to begin with. If we get a TA with AA Scope at 15 flights that would be an automatic no vote for me, as I think it would be for a lot of people. At least I hope it would. Many people have mentioned that the company will try to throw money at us in exchange. If the company offered another 25% raise in exchange for current AA Scope, which from what I understand is way more than they are offering, I would still vote no.

From reading here, it appears some LUS cities are staffed with only 1 flight a day. Do I understand this correctly? What are the rules for this? Are those grandfathered stations or is that any LUS station?

IMO anything that comes to us that is closer to AA Scope than to US Scope would be a no vote from me.

I understand it is not always just about money. I understand that if stations close, many of those people will come to hubs. I have seen how difficult it can be for commuters. I want everything to get easier for us not more difficult. I have heard the new CS Policy might make it harder on commuters also.

I agree with you that Scope is important and I will vote that way. What do you all think the final Scope Clause will look like?

 

[gulfcoast1]

On a more positive note, we are a month away from our raises. The raise is 2.1% correct?

 

[WeAAsles]

To your second point. What a novel idea. I'm sure that would get their attention along with their wrath. Could lead to termination investigations though.
To your first point. We damn well better verify the accuracy of the statement. Fleet is responsible for overnight (below wing) security checks in my station. Nothing worse than distributing misleading or false information.

Maybe you don't trust your Union but I trust mine. The information is accurate.

 

[WeAAsles]

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[Jester]

Thanks for the correction Jester. Yes Heavy Maintenance and other jobs we should be doing in house, Union. A bud was driving me bananas wanting me to correct it.

Did he call you? lol.

Yeah, my phone has been blowing-up with Bob calling me, but I could barely understand him with the background music at Plato's Retreat.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yeah, my phone has been blowing-up with Bob calling me, but I could barely understand him with the background music at Plato's Retreat.

They closed freakin Plato's Retreat before I was of Legal age dammit.

 

[737823]

Here let's take the heat off this conversation. Scope and Station staffing is not my first priority of thought and not going to be the thing I run to look at when we get a TA to vote on.

It's natural to want to focus on cash first unless of course you're in a small Station and are worried about that language. Ograc is in a small Station so that's his (understandably) first priority.

WeAA is this an IGM post?

Just because you have 20+ years and are in a hub doesn't mean scope is of no consequence to you.

Didn't you say you got furloughed briefly after the 2003 agreement, and had to leave LGA for DFW (25% TWAers outbid you at LGA).

Josh

 

[737823]

WeAA if SJU or ATL get contracted out many of those guys will come to MIA and want 4 10s.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA is this an IGM post?

Just because you have 20+ years and are in a hub doesn't mean scope is of no consequence to you.

Didn't you say you got furloughed briefly after the 2003 agreement, and had to leave LGA for DFW (25% TWAers outbid you at LGA).

Josh

The post is not an IGM post. It's a let's throw the cards on the table and be honest here post.

Of course the first thing I'm going to look at will be the base wage scales. From there it will be a mixture of other items that bring financial value, then onto QOL items like vacations and comp time before I start perusing through all the other items.

Yes in my position here in MIA of course I feel a little more secure than individuals who chose to remain in small Stations. Not knocking "their" choice at all, just pointing out the reality of it all.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Why don't you two grow up?

This has nothing to do with WeAAsles.

First off I don't even know who made the flier. I never assumed it was WeAAsles. Second, I never claimed the information was inaccurate only that it should be verified.

We had many people bump into TULE that thought overnight cleaning had been outsourced and were surprised we were still doing it.

Is it outside the realm of possibility that they may not do overnight cleaning at DFW/DWH but might do it at another station?

The fact is if you put a flier out making claims like that they damn well better be accurate or your setting yourself up for embarrassment.

Grow up? That's funny coming from you LiLiLuLuLo. I've agreed with many of your posts in the past. However you have gone off the cliff in the last 6 months or so. You are obviously a very bitter person over losing your job. Move on.

 

[bob@las-AA]

You do know (maybe not) that we actually work for AA and you don't right?

Between DFW and MIA there were over 700 lost Cabin Service jobs during the Bankruptcy. And there were even more lost jobs from 2003 on.

I hope that cleared things up for the person who does not work at AA anymore.

Loony tunes probably only worked a few years before he decided he wasn't man enough and cut his nose off to spite his face, bet he was like that from birth.

 

[bob@las-AA]

WeAA if SJU or ATL get contracted out many of those guys will come to MIA and want 4 10s.

Josh

Fleet will never get 4 - 10's dude.