JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[charlie Brown]

i realize that it may be professionally suicidal for elected and/or appointed iam negotiators to publicly say that they would consider bending on lus x laa medical...

...it may be palatable, if say, management is made aware of your vulnerable position(s) (elections in jan. '18??) and you counter with wage increases that are top-heavy at the start of the contract.

if the company acknowledges and is ok with fleet service topping out at $35.50/hr, earning $33.00 on date of signing should take much of the sting out of increased medical. for those legacy lus who believe that we will top out at $35.50 along with keeping their current medical, someone needs to explain the word, delusional, to them. that is more than out-of-line considering the weakness of unions in 2017 usa.

i don't argue and agree why not get it all. i won't say that is absurd...but, a very slim chance and ole slim just took the bus out of town.

the alternative is that the longer this drags on, the 2 parts of the assoc. may start eating each other with laa x lus employees taking militant sides.

First off, your talking to the wrong person if you think any of my decisions are based on a reelection in 2018. I've always said, whenever the membership doesn't want me representing them anymore, I'm fine going back to my job.
So to answer your question, would I consider bending on medical. This contract has to be a cost positive contract. Cost positive enough to where it is leading industry. I can assure you that on the latest offer by the company, they were getting no where close to 35.00 a hour. Keep in mind that we are already schedule to go to 30.81 in September. So my answer to you on the insurance would be, let me see the 35.00 a hour offer by the company, and then we will talk. But don't hold your breath, because the 35.00 a hour offer won't come from the company.

 

[charlie Brown]

You don't mention using the IAM contract as a starting point? Why??

He was talking about twu language. In my post I stated about not wanting to use the twu or IAM contract. But we want to take what's best out of both, and then add more to it in order to be leading industry.
That is our goal.

 

[WeAAsles]

First off, your talking to the wrong person if you think any of my decisions are based on a reelection in 2018. I've always said, whenever the membership doesn't want me representing them anymore, I'm fine going back to my job.
So to answer your question, would I consider bending on medical. This contract has to be a cost positive contract. Cost positive enough to where it is leading industry. I can assure you that on the latest offer by the company, they were getting no where close to 35.00 a hour. Keep in mind that we are already schedule to go to 30.81 in September. So my answer to you on the insurance would be, let me see the 35.00 a hour offer by the company, and then we will talk. But don't hold your breath, because the 35.00 a hour offer won't come from the company.

Crema is talking $35.00 at the end of the contract. $33.00 DOS.

 

[charlie Brown]

Crema is talking $35.00 at the end of the contract. $33.00 DOS.

Haha. Keep digging

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Crema is talking $35.00 at the end of the contract. $33.00 DOS.

thanks, i guess i wasn't clear.

parker & isom have hinted and inferred that the wages aren't THE hurdle...and some of us have taken them at their word.

if ua, fighting off southwest for 3rd most profitable airline...will pay it's ground workers $33.30/hr (not counting differential) top rate...anything less than $35 top rate for aa is an insult.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

First off, your talking to the wrong person if you think any of my decisions are based on a reelection in 2018.

i have no clue to whom i'm talking to...

all i said is that i realize/understand it would be professional suicide to tell your people that you would consider bending on that issue.

- as far as the rest, i take you at your word. i don't doubt anything you said/say. i have no doubt we will get what most of us want, the company has decided to make us suffer for it. the town halls and 'team members' is all BS. aa has $7 billion in their pocket right now and they have decided to make us suffer.

 

[charlie Brown]

thanks, i guess i wasn't clear.

parker & isom have hinted and inferred that the wages aren't THE hurdle...and some of us have taken them at their word.

if ua, fighting off southwest for 3rd most profitable airline...will pay it's ground workers $33.30/hr (not counting differential) top rate...anything less than $35 top rate for aa is an insult.

Yes, if your talking at the end of your contract. That's very likely. I'm concerned about the beginning. And that's great if you want to take Parker at his word. Maybe ask him why he doesn't care to give you better insurance than a bankrupt contract, when other airlines that are smaller have much better.

 

[WeAAsles]

Haha. Keep digging

Well not much point in sending out something that's a waste of time also if it will fail all around.

Kind of stupid if Jerry doesn't already know that quite well.

 

[P. REZ]

thanks, i guess i wasn't clear.

parker & isom have hinted and inferred that the wages aren't THE hurdle...and some of us have taken them at their word.

if ua, fighting off southwest for 3rd most profitable airline...will pay it's ground workers $33.30/hr (not counting differential) top rate...anything less than $35 top rate for aa is an insult.

CremaDiLimone,

Wasn't even at WN or UA's top out. Overall, 3rd best maybe.

P. Rez

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Yes, if your talking at the end of your contract. That's very likely. I'm concerned about the beginning. And that's great if you want to take Parker at his word. Maybe ask him why he doesn't care to give you better insurance than a bankrupt contract, when other airlines that are smaller have much better.

that's what i said..in exchange for going with laa medical, we max at $35.50, $33.00 DOS. not exactly a horse trade, but the company will get what it wants on this issue.

if you can't sell an immediate $3/hr raise and ultimate $5/hr raise in lieu of losing lus medical....

the company knows they will pay us those figures, the company knows they will win and get us all on laa medical. speed up the process by making the raises top heavy immediate.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

CremaDiLimone,

Wasn't even at WN or UA's top out. Overall, 3rd best maybe.

P. Rez

yeah...i got that. disappointing..insulting. i took parker and isom at their words and you guys warned us.

we all know that aa WILL pay us..they control the 'when'. the 'team members', 'leap of faith', 'town hall" nonsense...all BS. i hope you guys call them out on all of that. for whatever reason, they have decided to make us suffer for what we will get.

i'd be a very sarcastic and cynical asshole in those meetings...parker trips over his tongue telling anyone who will listen how much money aa will earn, going forward.

 

[charlie Brown]

i have no clue to whom i'm talking to...

all i said is that i realize/understand it would be professional suicide to tell your people that you would consider bending on that issue.

- as far as the rest, i take you at your word. i don't doubt anything you said/say. i have no doubt we will get what most of us want, the company has decided to make us suffer for it. the town halls and 'team members' is all BS. aa has $7 billion in their pocket right now and they have decided to make us suffer.

This negotiating team from the company led by Jerry Glass is and always has been very consistent on making you claw for everything you get. Glass is a very sharp guy, there is reason that Parker uses him to negotiate. Regen for the IAM and Glass for the company, have negotiated many contracts in the past. They know each other very well. So if it's possible to get this done, I'm sure they will. But again, speaking for the IAM members that I represent, this has to be cost positive for our side as well. Or else, why would we want to bring it out.

 

[charlie Brown]

that's what i said..in exchange for going with laa medical, we max at $35.50, $33.00 DOS. not exactly a horse trade, but the company will get what it wants on this issue.

if you can't sell an immediate $3/hr raise and ultimate $5/hr raise in lieu of losing lus medical....

the company knows they will pay us those figures, the company knows they will win and get us all on laa medical. speed up the process by making the raises top heavy immediate.

It wasn't 33.00 dos. I can assure you of that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Haha. Keep digging

The Weez don't do no diggin man.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

if it's hinted that the assoc. would consider bending on the insurance...then you need to gauge how much higher mr. glass moves the wages toggle switch. i won't ask you what you would find agreeable..but it seems that each side is waiting for the other to make 'the move'.