JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

Tim,

We all need to be on the same page, we are lacking in our communication and solidarity at this point. That doesn't mean we can't correct it. I am speaking my opinion, can't speak for MX or anybody else.

P. Rez

That's been the issue since almost the very beginning.

 

[NYer]

I'm sure the people on the NC try their best to mesh together as a group but it is a unions responsibility to work for their members and it seems we may have 2 different agendas going on. The Association should do the deal based on the other carriers pay, benefits and scope. In my experiance at DFW people have very little knowledge of the details of the 2 contracts but only want an industry best deal, however it gets put together.Also, if the LUS people really were not informed of the picket at DFW then that is not acceptable and shows the members of both unions the lack of unity. Very unfortunate if so.

Good thing most of the work is being done by the Executive Committee, rather than the NC.

Imagine how long this would take it if wasn't expedited last December.

 

[Tim Nelson]

While you threaten section 6 , I'll dust off the old sign up card, let's see who crosses the finish line first?

There is a growing sediment within the LUS ranks that section 6 is preferred instead of not prioritizing our scope and medical benefits. honestly, your TWU has bagged a lot of money with this association so it won't be in any hurry to get a card signup. I agree that your members are getting cornholed but that's your business. I don't see any threat of a card signup....won't ever happen. It's all bout the money and the Association is a cash cow for the TWU. But if there was a card drive, I would imagine every single TWU person would sign it and the TWU would win at this point OR the cards could be used to threaten our union bosses. Of course, if our union bosses don't prioritize our scope and health care then, "He gone". So it would be a sorta pick your poison. But, I don't see any card drive happening, not even remotely. It's all about the cash and this baby is a cash cow for your TWU. They have to let you guys picket every so often just to make you feel like you belong but Sito shut that down real quick. Not only did he C block them on the picket, he is currently insisting that our issues have priority, i.e., LUS health care, and the awful pension. Even had to cancel negotiations with the company. 1 thing will happen, either Sito will use his veto leverage to make the TWU presidents understand their errors of their way, or he will wait for re-enrollment and then flip like a pancake and cave in the LUS health care. like I have said, my money is on him flipping and handing Parker our health care. Sito doesn't care about us, just look at the United contract or McGee contract or United Express Ground contract. It's all about the cash with him as well. So stop the insanity of a card drive already. Sheesh.

 

[WeAAsles]

There is a growing sediment within the LUS ranks that section 6 is preferred instead of not prioritizing our scope and medical benefits. honestly, your TWU has bagged a lot of money with this association so it won't be in any hurry to get a card signup. I agree that your members are getting cornholed but that's your business. I don't see any threat of a card signup....won't ever happen. It's all bout the money and the Association is a cash cow for the TWU. But if there was a card drive, I would imagine every single TWU person would sign it and the TWU would win at this point OR the cards could be used to threaten our union bosses. Of course, if our union bosses don't prioritize our scope and health care then, "He gone". So it would be a sorta pick your poison. But, I don't see any card drive happening, not even remotely. It's all about the cash and this baby is a cash cow for your TWU. They have to let you guys picket every so often just to make you feel like you belong but Sito shut that down real quick. Not only did he C block them on the picket, he is currently insisting that our issues have priority, i.e., LUS health care, and the awful pension. Even had to cancel negotiations with the company. 1 thing will happen, either Sito will use his veto leverage to make the TWU presidents understand their errors of their way, or he will wait for re-enrollment and then flip like a pancake and cave in the LUS health care. like I have said, my money is on him flipping and handing Parker our health care. Sito doesn't care about us, just look at the United contract or McGee contract or United Express Ground contract. It's all about the cash with him as well. So stop the insanity of a card drive already. Sheesh.

"Sediment is a naturally occurring material that is broken down by processes of weathering and erosion, and is subsequently transported by the action of wind, water, or ice, and/or by the force of gravity acting on the particles. For example, sandand silt can be carried in suspension in river water and on reaching the sea be deposited by sedimentation and if buried this may eventually become sandstone and siltstone, ( sedimentary rocks)."

 

[WeAAsles]

Good thing most of the work is being done by the Executive Committee, rather than the NC.

Imagine how long this would take it if wasn't expedited last December.

If you had been there we would have been done a year ago I suppose?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Tim can't threaten anyone. He really does need a ladder to get on a horse and boxes on his shoes to reach the gas pedal driving.

Funny how you are always calling people out for personal attacks.

Hypocrite.

I never completed Finishing school.

You were finished the day you were born.

Now go cry to the moderators about how I put boo boo's on your feelings. Be sure to omit your own transgressions.

 

[P. REZ]

P. Rez,
You forgot to mention the OOP max for LAA is $1000 less for individual + kids.
But the rest of your numbers are helpful.
It is clear the difference is much less if it's just you or just you and kids than if you have a spouse too.

Thanks for finding all the info, we needed it out there. For me it's not a huge difference, but it is a difference and after 4 years of massive profits, the company should compensate that difference in the contract if they will move everyone to the plan the entire rest of the company is on.

Also, I'd love to see how they are going to compensate all the LAA for disparity in Holidays. Holiday pay, overtime, vacations, sick days which are all vastly different than LUS currently.
Or will the company say, well LUS, you've enjoyed the slightly cheaper insurance for entirety of the merger while LAA, you've lived with a disparity in all those other benefits for a little over a year now~
even everything out and call it even? Not sure, just thinking out loud how they might try to resolve it.

Traymark,

FYI, I believe the difference in LAA and LUS is $150 because your $2000 doesn't include the $850 deductible whereas our $3000 does include the deductible, but nonetheless, it is $150 cheaper for LAA.

P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Traymark,

FYI, I believe the difference in LAA and LUS is $150 because your $2000 doesn't include the $850 deductible whereas our $3000 does include the deductible, but nonetheless, it is $150 cheaper for LAA.

P. Rez

Is there a way to line item this in negotiations, much like how the wage was determined? For instance, in re-enrollment, a letter of agreement moving forward that would recognize our health care like the pilots got 16% 401k for the health care cost out?
Weasel is right about one thing, it isn't right to have part timers subsidize health care, especially since this is the only job for many part timers, even though many part timers quit in just a couple years of working. One poster mentioned a sliding scale whereas after 3 or 4 years a part timer merges with full timer health care cost.

 

[Rogallo]

That's been the issue since almost the very beginning.

Beginning of what, the association? Well there's only one way to fix that, imo.

 

[P. REZ]

Is there a way to line item this in negotiations, much like how the wage was determined? For instance, in re-enrollment, a letter of agreement moving forward that would recognize our health care like the pilots got 16% 401k for the health care cost out?
Weasel is right about one thing, it isn't right to have part timers subsidize health care, especially since this is the only job for many part timers, even though many part timers quit in just a couple years of working. One poster mentioned a sliding scale whereas after 3 or 4 years a part timer merges with full timer health care cost.

Tim,

Anything is possible. If you look at our comprehensive proposal from 12/15, we did say equalize PT insurance with FT. It was actually our goal in 14 negotiations but we ended up pushing it to JCBA negotiations. FYI, our insurance would have to go up some to compensate for PT not subsidizing FT insurance. IMO, that would be acceptable to get everyone paying same amount. With current max PT of 40%, that would be around 9.8% instead of the 7% we pay now for the 80 plan($10/mo.). This is my opinion only.

P. Rez

 

[Albert]

"Sediment is a naturally occurring material that is broken down by processes of weathering and erosion, and is subsequently transported by the action of wind, water, or ice, and/or by the force of gravity acting on the particles. For example, sandand silt can be carried in suspension in river water and on reaching the sea be deposited by sedimentation and if buried this may eventually become sandstone and siltstone, ( sedimentary rocks)."

Sentiment or sediment what did he do take a poll? Does he just get these ideas out of thin air? again yelling fire in a movie theater . section 6 is the farthest thing for probably 98% of IAM members minds

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

Anything is possible. If you look at our comprehensive proposal from 12/15, we did say equalize PT insurance with FT. It was actually our goal in 14 negotiations but we ended up pushing it to JCBA negotiations. FYI, our insurance would have to go up some to compensate for PT not subsidizing FT insurance. IMO, that would be acceptable to get everyone paying same amount. With current max PT of 40%, that would be around 9.8% instead of the 7% we pay now for the 80 plan($10/mo.). This is my opinion only.

P. Rez

I always felt that the disparity of health care between FT and PT encouraged the company to keep as much part time as they could.

 

[Albert]

I always felt that the disparity of health care between FT and PT encouraged the company to keep as much part time as they could.

I never understood how someone who worked two days a week could get medical insurance

 

[Albert]

AUS, SAT, ATL, SJU is borderline or not protected on September, 2018. The flight activity has a snapback clause.

Then LUS would hire off the street in ATL to make up for those who left. That would be a knee to ones testicles

 

[WeAAsles]

Sentiment or sediment what did he do take a poll? Does he just get these ideas out of thin air? again yelling fire in a movie theater . section 6 is the farthest thing for probably 98% of IAM members minds

His ideas don't mean a Hill of beans Al. He's not a Negotiator, he's not an IAM elected leader and besides from being an IAM member he has no real affiliation with the IAM aside from people he claims he knows and talks to which he never does (and never should) divulge any of their names here.

It's pretty well confirmed in his group that like it or not the Leaders are going to make the ultimate call on what to send out. That means Sito Pantoja. (Or Martinez?) Our group Alex Garcia (Or Samuelsen)

So all this back and forth advocacy, rumor, hearsay, desperation, infighting, support, backstabbing, backpatting we do on here is kind of just spinning wheels. (Some of it is funny though)