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Oy! The issue with BOS could have and should have been handled exactly in the manner it was ultimately decided.

There was no reason to stop the reconciliation process, in October 2014, in order to address that issue. As a matter of fact, that issue was resolved AFTER the two sides had their reconciliation process in June of 2015. So in fact, they could have handled both issues at the same time and they should have.

As a matter of fact, the fix cost MIA several members in the Tower which had already started the process of being integrated under TWU station agreements. Those folks were not happy when that was changed with no say from them.

In any case, you believed at the time that he issue would be quickly fixed and the two sides would meet as scheduled at the end of 2014. Well, it didn't happen that way.


Oh so many many many mistakes made on the formation of this Association. So incredibly sad huh.

Too bad the members didn't come before the positions, money and politics I guess.

Well I hope there are level headed people making the best of the bad situation the former leaders of the 2 Unions placed us all in? (I think there are)
 
Well you can blame the IAM I guess for all those terrible updates as you say since they held the Association chair for the first 2 years. But I'm still waiting to see how much better you could have described those "difficulties" as you keep harping about? Do you think one day you might decide to write that?

And no absolutely nothing personal to say William Fa but losing Brian Oyer after the amount of time and work he put in was a tremendous loss. Changes always can create setbacks BUT changes are the way the TWU is structured. People get voted out.

But if you like the IAM structure I don't understand why you argue against their contract language philosophy then?

You can't always cherry pick NYer.

Nothing in the Association By Laws says you need to be a President of a Local. As a matter of fact, it seems the 6th person on the Negotiating Committee is an International official.

The Association isn't the TWU therefore it isn't governed the same, it's a separate entity.
 
Oh so many many many mistakes made on the formation of this Association. So incredibly sad huh.

Too bad the members didn't come before the positions, money and politics I guess.

Well I hope there are level headed people making the best of the bad situation the former leaders of the 2 Unions placed us all in? (I think there are)

Most of those leaders are still leading.
 
Nothing in the Association By Laws says you need to be a President of a Local. As a matter of fact, it seems the 6th person on the Negotiating Committee is an International official.

The Association isn't the TWU therefore it isn't governed the same, it's a separate entity.


Ok but if we take say Brian again for the conversation someone has to pay him to continue on and he needs to want to do it. Right?

William Fa gained more votes than both Brian and Darrin Pierce combined. DFW Members sent a clear sign to the Association that they wanted Brother Fa in those Negotiations and the Association did the right thing and complied.

Unfortunately whether the right decision or not, popular or not, Brian needed to go.
 
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Most of those leaders are still leading.


Not the names on the Association documents that I can see.

IAM and TWU members should have voted on the Association BEFORE it was filed with the NMB.

The delay in getting to JCBA's is a direct consequence of that mistake period. Union leaders are not supposed to be dictators I hope you realize.
 
Not the names on the Association documents that I can see.

IAM and TWU members should have voted on the Association BEFORE it was filed with the NMB.

The delay in getting to JCBA's is a direct consequence of that mistake period. Union leaders are not supposed to be dictators I hope you realize.

Ah. The delay in the JCBA is because we didn't get a vote. Copy. 😵
 
Ok but if we take say Brian again for the conversation someone has to pay him to continue on and he needs to want to do it. Right?

William Fa gained more votes than both Brian and Darrin Pierce combined. DFW Members sent a clear sign to the Association that they wanted Brother Fa in those Negotiations and the Association did the right thing and complied.

Unfortunately whether the right decision or not, popular or not, Brian needed to go.

Well, it's unfortunate for those that voted for that change to have the NC step aside for the Executive Committee, which none of us voted for to take over the face to face negotiations. Oh well.
 
Ah. The delay in the JCBA is because we didn't get a vote. Copy. 😵

Of course partially it all stems around that. It sets the template that the members follow. At least on the TWU side especially it continued a pattern of mistrust that people have held for too long already. It was slimy.

Would Gary Peterson have tried to stop the Association if it had been formed the right way in the first place? Of course not. Because it would have been the will of the Membership.

In hindsight I have to assume that you can never say Jim and his group were wrong in any way since you supported them and you don't support the group that's in there now. Politics wouldn't allow you to I guess.
 
Well, it's unfortunate for those that voted for that change to have the NC step aside for the Executive Committee, which none of us voted for to take over the face to face negotiations. Oh well.


Ok so now you're "pretending" you don't know how it all works? LMAO. You know better than just about anyone out there the structure of both the TWU and this Association.

You were part of the formation of the Association so that one is too easy.

The TWU votes in their leaders under a delegate system. Here in MIA as a matter of fact our local just voted in a few delegates to go to the convention and pick the future leaders. Unfortunately I missed that because of my Heart Attack (Talk about crappy timing huh)

BTW do you think you got all 8 going for JC, NYer? Good luck with that long ball throw you're going for.
 
Of course partially it all stems around that. It sets the template that the members follow. At least on the TWU side especially it continued a pattern of mistrust that people have held for too long already. It was slimy.

Would Gary Peterson have tried to stop the Association if it had been formed the right way in the first place? Of course not. Because it would have been the will of the Membership.

In hindsight I have to assume that you can never say Jim and his group were wrong in any way since you supported them and you don't support the group that's in there now. Politics wouldn't allow you to I guess.
Cmon maaaaannnnn. Give it a break! Get a life! Don't you have something else you can do on a Saturday? Sheesh!

BTW, NYer has been right all along the way. I gave him hell last year and sorta sided with you but things are unraveling lately and there is no evidence of any unity whatsoever. So get real Weasel, you and KoolCat need to understand that there is no unity. So stop scratching your head wondering why ONLY the IAM refused to support your picket. Cripes, I think I was 1 of only 3 LUS guys who publicly supported you guys and demanded a letter from the union, so I'm not letting the IAM off the hook, but your endless love for your boy (who Sito actually gets along with) is causing you to lose your focus.

If there were more TWU leaders like NYer who tried to make things accountable instead of 8 other TWU Local Presidents who all want to be king, we would be a lot further along. Your Local Presidents ARE THE PROBLEM. And Murphy has no juice up here at all, period He is known as pure management. I gave Ole Murphy the benefit of the doubt until he knifed all of us by siding with management over cross utilization PRIOR to the cross utilization agreement. If I'm still in ORD, I'm going to enjoy telling the TWU ORD peeps how awful Murphy is. Most already hate his guts and he won't have the luxury of being appointed again.
 
Cmon maaaaannnnn. Give it a break! Get a life! Don't you have something else you can do on a Saturday? Sheesh!

BTW, NYer has been right all along the way. I gave him hell last year and sorta sided with you but things are unraveling lately and there is no evidence of any unity whatsoever. So get real Weasel, you and KoolCat need to understand that there is no unity. So stop scratching your head wondering why ONLY the IAM refused to support your picket. Cripes, I think I was 1 of only 3 LUS guys who publicly supported you guys and demanded a letter from the union, so I'm not letting the IAM off the hook, but your endless love for your boy (who Sito actually gets along with) is causing you to lose your focus.

If there were more TWU leaders like NYer who tried to make things accountable instead of 8 other TWU Local Presidents who all want to be king, we would be a lot further along. Your Local Presidents ARE THE PROBLEM. And Murphy has no juice up here at all, period He is known as pure management. I gave Ole Murphy the benefit of the doubt until he knifed all of us by siding with management over cross utilization PRIOR to the cross utilization agreement. If I'm still in ORD, I'm going to enjoy telling the TWU ORD peeps how awful Murphy is. Most already hate his guts and he won't have the luxury of being appointed again.


Weird.
 
Cmon maaaaannnnn. Give it a break! Get a life! Don't you have something else you can do on a Saturday? Sheesh!

BTW, NYer has been right all along the way. I gave him hell last year and sorta sided with you but things are unraveling lately and there is no evidence of any unity whatsoever. So get real Weasel, you and KoolCat need to understand that there is no unity. So stop scratching your head wondering why ONLY the IAM refused to support your picket. Cripes, I think I was 1 of only 3 LUS guys who publicly supported you guys and demanded a letter from the union, so I'm not letting the IAM off the hook, but your endless love for your boy (who Sito actually gets along with) is causing you to lose your focus.

If there were more TWU leaders like NYer who tried to make things accountable instead of 8 other TWU Local Presidents who all want to be king, we would be a lot further along. Your Local Presidents ARE THE PROBLEM. And Murphy has no juice up here at all, period He is known as pure management. I gave Ole Murphy the benefit of the doubt until he knifed all of us by siding with management over cross utilization PRIOR to the cross utilization agreement. If I'm still in ORD, I'm going to enjoy telling the TWU ORD peeps how awful Murphy is. Most already hate his guts and he won't have the luxury of being appointed again.
How did get caught up in the mix with these two lads from Miami ???
 
Dear President Trump,

I am writing to you on behalf of the 140,000 plus hard-working women and men of the Transport Workers Union across the United States of Am...erica, specifically regarding our efforts to protect the jobs of our members employed by American Airlines. Currently, AA is pursuing a policy of offshoring solid, middle-class aircraft maintenance jobs that are currently being performed on United States soil, to China, Brazil and other low wage countries. These blue-collar jobs are often the backbone of working communities in cities and towns across our nation.

The overseas outsourcing of this aircraft maintenance work has not only led to the loss of thousands of American jobs, but also seriously compromises passenger aviation safety and United States national security. When American Airlines utilizes aviation maintenance vendors on foreign soil, it is virtually impossible to determine with any degree of certainty who accesses the aircraft that U.S citizens will soon be flying on. These foreign based maintenance workers will be accessing secure areas of the aircraft without the scrutiny of the FAA, TSA, US Customs, and other U.S. based airport security personnel. All one has to do is look at the thirty-one (31) pounds of cocaine found by American Airline’s Tulsa-based aircraft technicians in January of this year, to realize that this type of unrestricted access by foreign soil based workers is not only risky, but potentially putting American’s lives at risk. And unlike workers performing aviation maintenance on American soil, foreign soil based airline workers are not subjected to extensive background checks, drug and alcohol testing, licensing requirements or ongoing FAA oversight and unannounced inspections.

So as millions of U.S citizens board their next American Airlines flight, they are simply unaware that the plane they are boarding may very well have been inspected and serviced by workers in South America, China, or other parts of the world where US law enforcement or regulatory bodies exercise no authority whatsoever. Worse yet, American Airlines is pushing to increase the amount of foreign maintenance that they currently perform. This issue is the subject of a dispute in the contract negotiations that are going on right now. The company has 7 billion dollars cash on hand and is at the height of its economic prosperity, yet they want to strip even more American workers of their livelihoods. Enough is enough, American Airlines workers have already sacrificed greatly to make their company successful, and highly profitable. It’s time for American Airlines and their CEO Doug Parker to stop putting profits over American workers. The middle-class in this country has suffered enough, and the business model that American Airlines is pursuing has contributed greatly to its demise.

President Trump, you have spoken at length about the need to protect our jobs and stop the offshoring of America’s middle-class. You’ve also spoken about the need to bolster national security. American Airlines’ actions present you with a unique opportunity to address two of your core issues at once. We ask that you look at this situation and let American Airlines and CEO Doug Parker know that this behavior is downright un-American.

Sincerely,
John Samuelsen
International President, Transport Workers Union of America
 
Of course partially it all stems around that. It sets the template that the members follow. At least on the TWU side especially it continued a pattern of mistrust that people have held for too long already. It was slimy.

Would Gary Peterson have tried to stop the Association if it had been formed the right way in the first place? Of course not. Because it would have been the will of the Membership.

In hindsight I have to assume that you can never say Jim and his group were wrong in any way since you supported them and you don't support the group that's in there now. Politics wouldn't allow you to I guess.

You assumptions are incorrect.

In this brief conversation you're the only person mentioning names and therefore are answering based on your politics.

I don't get personal, it's about the issue not the person. You seem to enjoy the opposite.
 
Ok so now you're "pretending" you don't know how it all works? LMAO. You know better than just about anyone out there the structure of both the TWU and this Association.

You were part of the formation of the Association so that one is too easy.

The TWU votes in their leaders under a delegate system. Here in MIA as a matter of fact our local just voted in a few delegates to go to the convention and pick the future leaders. Unfortunately I missed that because of my Heart Attack (Talk about crappy timing huh)

BTW do you think you got all 8 going for JC, NYer? Good luck with that long ball throw you're going for.

Was not part of the formation of the Association, but we already know you're difficulty in distinguishing between fact and supposition.

You really can't stay on topic and have to go to the politics. That's too bad.
 
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