JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Koolcat]

At the end of the day , there will be some type of concessions in this jcba and Presidents will lose their elections because of it. Nature of the beast !!!

 

[WeAAsles]

Implicitly. It's what I'm not hearing. Read this board and you hear all of the LAA peeps saying that we will have to give up our medical. I haven't heard any TWU leader say otherwise either. Charlie Brown all but admitted this and is just as stumped as I am that the TWU isn't necessarily supporting our medical.

I have inferred based on evidence I have observed. I hope I'm wrong and I admit that I don't have all of the facts, but it means something when Charlie Brown ask the same questions, right?

Something is wrong.

Tim you (and others) need to start looking at your contract like a pizza pie. What is your "Total value compensation" and how is it divided.

Your Pizza Pie is roughly 4 LBS now and another 1 LB is going to be added for a total of 5 LBS. Your Medical is Green Peppers. You like and want Green Peppers on your Pie. Me, I'm a meat eater. I want Pepperoni. I'm ok with the Green Peppers already on my Pie.

What toppings do others like on their Pie?

 

[WeAAsles]

At the end of the day , there will be some type of concessions in this jcba and Presidents will lose their elections because of it. Nature of the beast !!!

A concession is an impression. It's what you want to interpret it to be for you.

One man's concession (concern) is another man's shrugging of the shoulders.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sounds like your in a panic there , Mr Nelson! Your so called influence will have no affect on our frozen pension and now you want to shift blame? USair has been damage goods for while struggling to stay afloat and Pushed away from United and Delta. As a stand alone your negotiators made no head wind on a contract then with a merger you've gain a lot these few years.

Damaged good?
US AIRWAYS made millions before it nabbed American Airlines and took it off life support. Sorry but Horton was a complete disaster and you guys were soon to be in selloff mode (See Pan Am) if US AIRWAYS Parker didn't 'rescue' your airline. Whatever the case, who cares? We are here and now.

And of course, the IAM took FULL advantage of the merger. No way would any of us have what we have now without it. You might be working for Delta Global now if Horton had to piecemeal the airline, and I'd prolly still be stuck at $24.

The foundation of taking advantage of the merger, for the IAM, was to install "Great Fear" upon Chicken Little to join the IAM ranks and sign over your majority rule to the trumped up Association. Amazingly, it worked and Little signed over all rights and told the NMB he will release the 70 year TWU certification at American Airlines. So, don't blame the IAM for protecting its interest, blame your own leaders. Little became bitter knowing his own Eboard was planning a coup. I supported Sito big league on him hoodwinking the TWU on this. Now Sito sits in the command seat.

 

[wings396]

I don't believe that Tim is only paying $26 a week for medical benefits for him and his children. I have the 90% plan, and know what it's costs are vs the 80 & 100 plans. Believe me that our healthcare is far from free or inexpensive. I remember way back when we didn't pay a dime for it. Can't forget that we have zilch at retirement either...

 

[WeAAsles]

The current position of the IAM, assuming it is standing firm on our health care, is consistent with negotiations at this time. Likewise, I'm assuming the company's initial proposal was a complete disaster last week. If WeAAsles is right that they will meet in the middle on health care and also boost vacations, pensions, sick time, holidays, shift differ, scope then the members may be allowed to vote on such a thing.

When did I say all those things Tim? I "think" (could be wrong though) I said they "should" meet somewhere in the middle?

But I do "think" you will get one more year of your El Cheapo Medical IMO? It's getting kind of late in the game.

That could be your compromise? Time for you all to adjust. (You should have done that with your last group of raises though, jeez)

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim you (and others) need to start looking at your contract like a pizza pie. What is your "Total value compensation" and how is it divided.

Your Pizza Pie is roughly 4 LBS now and another 1 LB is going to be added for a total of 5 LBS. Your Medical is Green Peppers. You like and want Green Peppers on your Pie. Me, I'm a meat eater. I want Pepperoni. I'm ok with the Green Peppers already on my Pie.

What toppings do others like on their Pie?

At the end of the day, a 4 lb pie needs to expand to 5 lbs. And with that analogy, the LAA pie currently is at 3.5 lbs. So, any new JCBA will be much better for LAA than LUS but all should do very well. Like I said, I want a contract now if that means 5lbs but not if that means cost neutral. And the only way to that 5lb pie is with solidarity and a unity that is seamless. I don't think the contention we have on how to get there is disunity, I can see a part timer at LUS perspective and a LAA perspective, along with my own LUS FT perspective. The most sacred tough for me is scope. Always has been.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't believe that Tim is only paying $26 a week for medical benefits for him and his children. I have the 90% plan, and know what it's costs are vs the 80 & 100 plans. Believe me that our healthcare is far from free or inexpensive. I remember way back when we didn't pay a dime for it. Can't forget that we have zilch at retirement either...

It's not $26 a week. I pay $26 per pay period. $52 a month. 80%.

 

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[swamt]

At the end of the day, tomorrow is a huge day. I personally would like to wish you guys good luck for the info picketing. Wish I could be there but could not rid of my previous dedicated day trade obligation in the middle of summer. Look forward to any pics you guys might pass along. Hope my fellow AMFA brothers and sisters can take a little time to help out. I am sure some X-AA'ers will be there along with our AMFA National guys. Again good luck and hope to see the great unity from all your other groups at AA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

A concession is an impression. It's what you want to interpret it to be for you.

One man's concession (concern) is another man's shrugging of the shoulders.

It doesn't change and isn't subjective based on someone's interpretation. It's a dollar amount and objective. If you want that dollar as a dollar bill or 4 quarters....it's still a dollar.

 

[WeAAsles]

Damaged good?
US AIRWAYS made millions before it nabbed American Airlines and took it off life support. Sorry but Horton was a complete disaster and you guys were soon to be in selloff mode (See Pan Am) if US AIRWAYS Parker didn't 'rescue' your airline. Whatever the case, who cares? We are here and now.

And of course, the IAM took FULL advantage of the merger. No way would any of us have what we have now without it. You might be working for Delta Global now if Horton had to piecemeal the airline, and I'd prolly still be stuck at $24.

The foundation of taking advantage of the merger, for the IAM, was to install "Great Fear" upon Chicken Little to join the IAM ranks and sign over your majority rule to the trumped up Association. Amazingly, it worked and Little signed over all rights and told the NMB he will release the 70 year TWU certification at American Airlines. So, don't blame the IAM for protecting its interest, blame your own leaders. Little became bitter knowing his own Eboard was planning a coup. I supported Sito big league on him hoodwinking the TWU on this. Now Sito sits in the command seat.

Highly unnecessary emotional rant and factually inaccurate. But emotions do tend to bring out the worst in people.

 

[WeAAsles]

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Thank you very much to our IAM Brothers and Sisters at Lockheed Martin.

IAM DL 141 and 142?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Thank you very much to our IAM Brothers and Sisters at Lockheed Martin.

IAM DL 141 and 142?

I gotta think that Lockheed got permission from the Grand Lodge. So that's a good sign.

Separately, I wanted to note that we were shelved in our negotiations while Parker negotiated a Bankruptcy contract at American. So, it all started with us being on the backburner.

 

[WeAAsles]

It doesn't change and isn't subjective based on someone's interpretation. It's a dollar amount and objective. If you want that dollar as a dollar bill or 4 quarters....it's still a dollar.

Let me try to explain this better for you.

I rarely work any Swap Shifts or OT. So any changes that you would consider concessionary in that "area of language" may not be to me if an associated cost is shifted somewhere else.

Again Tim. You like Green Peppers and I like Pepperoni.

You use Bitcoin, I use CASH.