JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

Well, Tim, to be fair, the initial positions released by the Association did call for the adopting of the IAM Pension language (as well as the TWU 401K language) and the IAM medical language.

True

 

[WeAAsles]

Something has to give. The pt subsidize ft. We have alot of pt. Its not fair.

Now you're all over the map Tim? What's your position? Pick one and stick with it.

Who gets supported and who gets the screws put to them in Tim land?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Twu peeps need to understand that asking us to get rid of our medical is like telling you to agree to no holidays no vacation and no double time. Deal?

 

[WeAAsles]

Twu peeps need to understand that asking us to get rid of our medical is like telling you to agree to no holidays no vacation and no double time. Deal?

"I" always understood how important it is to you Tim. BUT you have a nice little gig going over there with the PT guys propping you up.

Tim what's the FT to PT ratio like there in ORD?

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim in Fleet. How many FT Members with Families are there that benefit from your lower medical? I'm thinking you have about 65% FT? Maybe 15% of those members are single?

So guessing about 4000 of the total Ramp count of 17,000 gain the max benefit of that lower medical? 13,000 don't currently?

Do my numbers sound reasonable?

 

[Koolcat]

Twu peeps need to understand that asking us to get rid of our medical is like telling you to agree to no holidays no vacation and no double time. Deal?

And you'll be asking our twu pt to prop your medical, I really don't see it happening

 

[WeAAsles]

And you'll be asking our twu pt to prop your medical, I really don't see it happening

I don't think I could see extending out that "income inequality" ideology over to the TWU side either personally.

Any way the pie is finally sliced I do believe everyone is going to have the same size slice whether you're PT or FT.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[wings396]

Deal breaker for who? You guys don't have the majority.

I must say that's a pathetic statement, and view of the healthcare plans. Based on what I'm seeing here, it appears as if most of the LAA people are happy and willing to keep the lesser of the 2 plans for a few more perks. As I've said before, LUS went cheap anyway that they could, but somehow found a way to offer us a far superior healthcare plan. I'm actually astounded that the pilot and F/A groups were willing to accept the lesser of the plans. After doing a comparison of the LAA & LUS plans, accepting the lesser of the 2 would be a deal breaker concession for me. I can't afford the 100% family plan myself, but the 90% has fit my needs well for the cost. It's pretty simple to come to the conclusion that paying more for less isn't the way to be going here.
I realize that the LAA people aren't technically giving up anything, but can't understand why you wouldn't want to better your coverage. I have to assume that at one point that you had much better, and went to what you currently have as a concession of some sort.

 

[WeAAsles]

I must say that's a pathetic statement, and view of the healthcare plans. Based on what I'm seeing here, it appears as if most of the LAA people are happy and willing to keep the lesser of the 2 plans for a few more perks. As I've said before, LUS went cheap anyway that they could, but somehow found a way to offer us a far superior healthcare plan. I'm actually astounded that the pilot and F/A groups were willing to accept the lesser of the plans. After doing a comparison of the LAA & LUS plans, accepting the lesser of the 2 would be a deal breaker concession for me. I can't afford the 100% family plan myself, but the 90% has fit my needs well for the cost. It's pretty simple to come to the conclusion that paying more for less isn't the way to be going here.

Wings Devils advocate questions.

Should or are you ok with PT subsidizing your cost?

Do you think the Company would match those costs and still give us raises?

Could the Company perhaps offer us less in wages to subsidize the Medical cost in effect meaning I would be penalized for not choosing to have a family?

Do you think you were paid less in wages in the past compared to the rest of the industry because you were subsidizing your own medical?

Is what you pay comparable to LAA, UAL, DAL and SWA Ramp?

Again a personal preference but I think higher wages benefit all to do with as they please and pay for items they want or need. I obviously wouldn't be paying for a Family plan so I can invest in myself in other areas. You can use your extra wages to pay for that Family Medical.

Devils advocate.

 

[WeAAsles]

I realize that the LAA people aren't technically giving up anything, but can't understand why you wouldn't want to better your coverage. I have to assume that at one point that you had much better, and went to what you currently have as a concession of some sort.

Of course us LAA TWU want better, more affordable Medical coverage.

But what's the catch or price?

And BTW. Sometimes what looks like a concession is nothing more than an impression.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Of course us LAA TWU want better, more affordable Medical coverage.

But what's the catch or price?

And BTW. Sometimes what looks like a concession is nothing more than an impression.

Why does there have to be a price? What is wrong with you TWU brothers, dont you understand that this isnt a cost neutral situation??? For the love of God, wake the F up dammit!

You guys see devils behind every bush! Cripes! What the hell are you guys picketing for if you are going to pay for whatever you are asking for?

Wake up!

Twu -1
IAM +1

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wings Devils advocate questions.

Should or are you ok with PT subsidizing your cost?

Do you think the Company would match those costs and still give us raises?

Could the Company perhaps offer us less in wages to subsidize the Medical cost in effect meaning I would be penalized for not choosing to have a family?

Do you think you were paid less in wages in the past compared to the rest of the industry because you were subsidizing your own medical?

Is what you pay comparable to LAA, UAL, DAL and SWA Ramp?

Again a personal preference but I think higher wages benefit all to do with as they please and pay for items they want or need. I obviously wouldn't be paying for a Family plan so I can invest in myself in other areas. You can use your extra wages to pay for that Family Medical.

Devils advocate.

Im not comfortable with pt subsidizing anything. You do have a pt there. About 40% but not in ord where it is 15%0

 

[WeAAsles]

Why does there have to be a price? What is wrong with you TWU brothers, dont you understand that this isnt a cost neutral situation??? For the love of God, wake the F up dammit!

You guys see devils behind every bush! Cripes! What the hell are you guys picketing for if you are going to pay for whatever you are asking for?

Wake up!

Twu -1
IAM +1

Timmy Nuetron, A concession is sometimes a perception.

That $4000.00 I discussed earlier. About $2.00 per hour. What if they left that FULL $2.00 amount in the Medical?

"I" Eye, Aye being a Single individual benefit far less for that $2.00 being negated into the price of Medical. Meaning the $2.00 is just a ghost Tim. It's a Spirit ephemeral that can move between Worlds (Cost items)

Do I need to find a better way to elaborate this to you?

 

[WeAAsles]

Im not comfortable with pt subsidizing anything. You do have a pt there. About 40% but not in ord where it is 15%0

You may not be comfortable Tim. I'm not comfortable when my feet pop out from under my sheets at night but I still sleep as peaceful as a baby.

I have a feeling on the PT issue you do too.

You've used that comfortable line before BTW regarding this issue.