JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

I have talked to a few who say they are in the know, one is fore sure. If they are being honest, the IAM is NOT insisting that LAA be forced into the IAMPF, but they are wanting it to be an option. Was also told that if you do elect to join their pension you would not get any increase in your 401k. Will you maintain the 5.5 match, it wasn't clear, but and increase up to (let's say 10%) would not be offered to you.

I have also heard pretty much those same rumors. The evil dreaded IAM and foul Stygian ruler Sito is NOT trying to force us into crossing the river Styx into the IAMPF.

I quit smoking one month ago tomorrow and still can't smell any IAMPF sulfur?

 

[WeAAsles]

the people you talk to aren't in the know. They can come out right now, and tell all of us what their goal to the membership in writing, what they set expect from laa, and its present membership the iampf choice. Nothing is stopping them.

And if you talk to any people, I firmly believe they lie to you a lot just for kicks. Seriously.

Seriously.

 

[AANOTOK]

the people you talk to aren't in the know. They can come out right now, and tell all of us what their goal to the membership in writing, what they set expect from laa, and its present membership the iampf choice. Nothing is stopping them.

I said in the know or being honest. One I know for sure is "in the know", maybe not being honest. Having said all that anotherdelay, your comment suggest either you or you have folks who claim to have factual information...would that be the case or are you throwing chit out there like everyone else?

 

[AANOTOK]

From reading your updated comment, your obviously making assumptions on my comment because they haven't provided anything to you/us in writing. Got it.

 

[anotherdelay]

TWU is not going to merge or be absorbed by the IAM.

The last International President of the TWU already tried piecing out our Union to multiple other Unions and that's the reason he's gone now. (Along with other cronies)

Ask trunka if he agrees.

 

[WeAAsles]

Once a JCBA comes back most of these pages will be filled with calls for the NC to take it back and keep working. That sentiment will become apparent once the language is released.

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Of course the loudest calls will come from the moaners and complainers who nothing can ever be good enough for.

But since you have zero clue what SCOPE, benefits, medical, retirement and wages will ultimately look like, your doom and gloom scenario may not be the most accurate picture that will be painted?

Your house may be the only one being hit by thunder clouds and pummeling rain.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Absolutely. No direct authority, but they certainly have a large amount of influence.

Consider this: The NMB representative is there to observe and make suggestions in the current negotiations. If her insight is ignored, as it could be, and we don't get to a deal then the next step would be to go into Section 6 negotiations in 2018. At that point, do you believe the NMB will be sympathetic to the unions or the Company?

I'd suggest, the NMB is there to offer insight that a deal in this process could have a better outcome than trying to get a deal in the mediation process.

Her being there could push the IAM to accept what they would ordinarily not accept, such as a change in their medical. If the IAM or Association play the waiting game, then it will be made evident their participation in the current process could be more fruitful than having to face the same changes but with their backs against the wall.

I doubt any mediator will be involved once section 6 is necessarily filed. If section 6 is filed, that may scrap all previous negotiations under the different processes of the expedited method. The company will be free to ask for reopeners 30 days prior to the amendable date and although a new negotiation timetable would be unpredictable, section 6 negotiations could bog us down for years.

That's why I am a proponent of the IAM joining the TWU in picketing and/or any actions of solidarity. I don't want a cost neutral contract, and certainly that isn't what I'm talking about, but we need to do our part to obtain a fair agreement. If the IAM chooses to stand down, then tosses a company "Take it or leave it" proposal to the membership, without any unity or building of solidarity, then I wouldn't expect management to offer anything remotely where our members want us to be.

Believe me, if the IAM leaders choose to stand down instead of showing solidarity with the TWU, it will come back to HAUNT them and the blame will be on them if we get a 'take it or leave it' **** proposal from management. Believe me, I'll make sure of it.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ask trunka if he agrees.

To once again reiterate:

[[[[[[TWU is not going to merge or be absorbed by the IAM.

The last International President of the TWU already tried piecing out our Union to multiple other Unions and that's the reason he's gone now. (Along with other cronies)]]]]]]]

Trumka BTW.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Of course the loudest calls will come from the moaners and complainers who nothing can ever be good enough for.

But since you have zero clue what SCOPE, benefits, medical, retirement and wages will ultimately look like, your doom and gloom scenario may not be the most accurate picture that will be painted?

Your house may be the only one being hit by thunder clouds and pummeling rain.

He may be right or wrong. Nobody knows what the final agreement or negotiation terms will look like. But we can adequately predict based on what we know. He doesn't seem out of line.

 

[WeAAsles]

I doubt any mediator will be involved once section 6 is necessarily filed. If section 6 is filed, that may scrap all previous negotiations under the different processes of the expedited method. The company will be free to ask for reopeners 30 days prior to the amendable date and although a new negotiation timetable would be unpredictable, section 6 negotiations could bog us down for years.

That's why I am a proponent of the IAM joining the TWU in picketing and/or any actions of solidarity. I don't want a cost neutral contract, and certainly that isn't what I'm talking about, but we need to do our part to obtain a fair agreement. If the IAM chooses to stand down, then tosses a company "Take it or leave it" proposal to the membership, without any unity or building of solidarity, then I wouldn't expect management to offer anything remotely where our members want us to be.

Believe me, if the IAM leaders choose to stand down instead of showing solidarity with the TWU, it will come back to HAUNT them and the blame will be on them if we get a 'take it or leave it' **** proposal from management. Believe me, I'll make sure of it.

Make sure to do your "due" diligence and no "do do" diligence there Tim. Can't have any stinkers in brown paper bags man.

Josh.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The medical will be very difficult to keep and I understand why everyone at the IAM would want to keep it. Everyone at the TWU would be doing the same thing and would also be advocating to just keep what we have if the alternative is to lose it.

If there is one item that is a "must have" for the Company, it would be the IAM medical. That is an item that would also be hard-pressed to make it through a mediation process. After seeing the emphasis the Company placed on getting everyone into the LAA medical plans, during the BK, it seems highly unlikely they would allow an outlier to remain.

I agree that we shouldn't be speeding towards a deal, but we aren't being kept up to date with the challenges being faced by the NC and that void of information is creating extra frustrations for a process that seems straightforward when seen from the outside.

I understand the IAM position and they certainly have more to lose than the TWU, at this point, but it doesn't help that the Association is not sufficiently educating either side as to the challenges we face collectively.

Why haven't I heard any TWU leaders say that your medical is in sore need of a tuneup? Would you agree with WeAAsles that it's possible that the path may be to meet in the middle on the medical?

Also, as an aside, I still don't believe we will get to the amendable date [I hope not] but if our negotiations drag, then when is the LAA amendable date, Dec 31, 2018? Ours is 9/12/18, so we are 14 months out.

 

[WeAAsles]

He may be right or wrong. Nobody knows what the final agreement or negotiation terms will look like. But we can adequately predict based on what we know. He doesn't seem out of line.

He wears a Swami Hat that gets no electrical impulses through its antennae.

 

[anotherdelay]

There are many reasons this isn't being completed.

One of the biggest is having to meld two sets of languages into one, not to mention trying to fit two sets of cultures into one.

The fact were not getting a comprehensive account of what is happening or what is being faced only heightens speculation.

Once a JCBA comes back most of these pages will be filled with calls for the NC to take it back and keep working. That sentiment will become apparent once the language is released.

If we knew now what we'll know then, there would be much more support of the process and the NC and we may have been able to reach the finish line quicker.

yeah and their language sucks for the most part, on the whole the iam contracts, for a non bk contract the medical is really the only decent part.

 

[NYer]

Why haven't I heard any TWU leaders say that your medical is in sore need of a tuneup? Would you agree with WeAAsles that it's possible that the path may be to meet in the middle on the medical?

Also, as an aside, I still don't believe we will get to the amendable date [I hope not] but if our negotiations drag, then when is the LAA amendable date, Dec 31, 2018? Ours is 9/12/18, so we are 14 months out.

Getting anything better than what we have would be ideal for the TWU but at this point, being the last group to get a JCBA, it seems unlikely the Company will choose this time to cave on their obvious and stated goal of everyone being in the same insurance.

If the Association gets a different medical plan that will open issues with the other work groups either now or at their next turn at a CBA. Doesn't seem logical for them to do that at this point.

Our amenable date is September 12, 2018. However, on September 11, 2018 our station staffing placeholder will expire leaving a handful of stations vulnerable to be outsourced.

 

[NYer]

yeah and their language sucks for the most part, on the whole the iam contracts, for a non bk contract the medical is really the only decent part.

We're destined to inherit some of that language.