JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Ignored.

Irrelevant.

 

[WeAAsles]

It is just a lack of understanding as to each side's needs and history.

Without the necessary perspective of what everyone faces the only thing we have a reference to is time. Without an understanding of the challenges faced as a union group and at the table it makes sense why so many are frustrated.

On the other hand, once the JCBA comes out or if we are given actual accounts of what is happening the whole notion of "let's get this done" may go away. It seems the reference everyone is using to make their determination of whether this is taking too long seems to be the optimistic view that a JCBA can only be good and why is it taking so long.

However, that would quickly change and the TWU Members will be standing right next to the IAM Members in their support of a more deliberate process.The worst thing that could happen is if the Company gets to a point where they just throw their comprehensive proposal on the table and ask it to be voted on, something the NMB representative will also be in agreement with. At that point, our fate may be held by those that just look at the dollar signs and not the intricate detail of the language that can affect us negatively.

So naive.

 

[WeAAsles]

IAM Medical costs.

In the last President Peterson video he mentions that the IAM members pay 7% of AA's Medical expenditure cost while the TWU member pays a cost of 21%.

The reality again over and over to be pointed out. AA and the former LUS are "Self Insured"

They are NOT going to an outside market for anything more than the administration of the plans they provide for us.

Yes AA can provide TWU/IAM Association members with a cost at least somewhere between 7% and 21%

 

[Tim Nelson]

It is just a lack of understanding as to each side's needs and history.

Without the necessary perspective of what everyone faces the only thing we have a reference to is time. Without an understanding of the challenges faced as a union group and at the table it makes sense why so many are frustrated.

On the other hand, once the JCBA comes out or if we are given actual accounts of what is happening the whole notion of "let's get this done" may go away. It seems the reference everyone is using to make their determination of whether this is taking too long seems to be the optimistic view that a JCBA can only be good and why is it taking so long.

However, that would quickly change and the TWU Members will be standing right next to the IAM Members in their support of a more deliberate process.The worst thing that could happen is if the Company gets to a point where they just throw their comprehensive proposal on the table and ask it to be voted on, something the NMB representative will also be in agreement with. At that point, our fate may be held by those that just look at the dollar signs and not the intricate detail of the language that can affect us negatively.

I agree

 

[Tim Nelson]

IAM Medical costs.

In the last President Peterson video he mentions that the IAM members pay 7% of AA's Medical expenditure cost while the TWU member pays a cost of 21%.

The reality again over and over to be pointed out. AA and the former LUS are "Self Insured"

They are NOT going to an outside market for anything more than the administration of the plans they provide for us.

Yes AA can provide TWU/IAM Association members with a cost at least somewhere between 7% and 21%

But nothing will be gained without solidarity and unity between the three labor organizations.

 

[Albert]

But nothing will be gained without solidarity and unity between the three labor organizations.

Tim you look a little like David Cassidy in this video, I'll picket if you sing "I woke up in love this morning"

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree

You shouldn't placate or coddle to the naive. They'll never learn if you do.

 

[Albert]

You shouldn't placate or coddle to the naive. They'll never learn if you do.

Weez maybe you and NYer can get together in solidarity and start a new direction come picket time. At the very least you can use the golf visor you bought

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez maybe you and NYer can get together in solidarity and start a new direction come picket time. At the very least you can use the golf visor you bought

I met Timmy/Josh/anotherdelay/Sybil/Quadrophenia Jimmy yesterday Al. I didn't ask about his Golf Skills or if he likes a good cup of Java?

But at least he's not scared of me like my buddy the Yellow Avatar guy. Ever notice his Avatar is Yeller?

 

[Albert]

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I met Timmy/Josh/anotherdelay/Sybil/Quadrophenia Jimmy yesterday Al. I didn't ask about his Golf Skills or if he likes a good cup of Java?

But at least he's not scared of me like my buddy the Yellow Avatar guy. Ever notice his Avatar is Yeller?

Before you guys hit a couple of clubs in South beach or head down to Key west I always thought you'd be taller. I don't know whats happening to this forum

 

[WeAAsles]

Before you guys hit a couple of clubs in South beach or head down to Key west I always thought you'd be taller. I don't know whats happening to this forum

No I was told Timmy was much shorter. I did scootch down a wee bit for the pic though. And Tim is back in ORD as you can see from his Heavy Bag and Bicycle with all the dust covering. (No Laundry Basket though)

 

[Koolcat]

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These are faces only a mother could love!!!


I met Timmy/Josh/anotherdelay/Sybil/Quadrophenia Jimmy yesterday Al. I didn't ask about his Golf Skills or if he likes a good cup of Java?

But at least he's not scared of me like my buddy the Yellow Avatar guy. Ever notice his Avatar is Yeller?

 

[pjirish317]

It is just a lack of understanding as to each side's needs and history.

Without the necessary perspective of what everyone faces the only thing we have a reference to is time. Without an understanding of the challenges faced as a union group and at the table it makes sense why so many are frustrated.

On the other hand, once the JCBA comes out or if we are given actual accounts of what is happening the whole notion of "let's get this done" may go away. It seems the reference everyone is using to make their determination of whether this is taking too long seems to be the optimistic view that a JCBA can only be good and why is it taking so long.

However, that would quickly change and the TWU Members will be standing right next to the IAM Members in their support of a more deliberate process.The worst thing that could happen is if the Company gets to a point where they just throw their comprehensive proposal on the table and ask it to be voted on, something the NMB representative will also be in agreement with. At that point, our fate may be held by those that just look at the dollar signs and not the intricate detail of the language that can affect us negatively.

NYer,

You do understand that the NMB representative has ZERO, nada, none, zilch, no authority in these negotiations. She can agree untill the cows come home, but that doesn't mean that the Association or the NC have to do anything she suggests. In fact, they can ask her to leave the room and go pound sand. So the company can get to a point where they do exactly as you say, but on the table it will remain until the negotiating committee thinks it worth reading and picks it up.

 

[pjirish317]

Interesting that you bring up "Roles".
Lets drill down on that just a bit.

If both of these unions exercised their proper roles at the very beginning of this merger,
I would submit that these things currently happening would have lived a very short shelf life if at all.

The Proper roles of these unions at the outset was the IAM stepping aside, and the TWU taking over representation of the ground workers as the majority union.

Why would the "proper role" be for the IAM to step aside? Why wouldn't the "proper role" be for the TWU to step aside? I get you do not like the Association, heck I don't think you like either the TWU or IAM, but please explain why it would have been proper for the IAM to bow down and step aside for the TWU? Did you want to staple all of the LUS people below LAA people? What was/is your motivation for wanting the IAM to step aside? I think you are scared of what kind of JCBA the Association may bring back. It may just be good enough for all of the naysayers to have to eat a little bot of crow and admit that the Association worked out for all. But you seem like to kind of person that would never be happy. No matter what gains you may get, it still won't be good enough, or it didn't happen fast enough. Or any number of other reasons only you can think up. Were you an AMFA supporter? Is that why you are so bitter?

 

[Tim Nelson]

NYer,

You do understand that the NMB representative has ZERO, nada, none, zilch, no authority in these negotiations. She can agree untill the cows come home, but that doesn't mean that the Association or the NC have to do anything she suggests. In fact, they can ask her to leave the room and go pound sand. So the company can get to a point where they do exactly as you say, but on the table it will remain until the negotiating committee thinks it worth reading and picks it up.

I read his comments different from you. He seemed to indicate that it would be up to the negotiating committee, and thats his concern.
I think we are all concerned since we really dont know. Hopefully, its a goodie.