JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

Any talk about Medical ideas happening through Washington you're seriously putting that cart before the horse Tim.

Even where most Countries have socialized medical they also have medical insurance that give people who can afford it better than the average basics.

Besides if you're talking anything at all about having medical plans like you currently have even you have said our AA medical is a piss ant next to yours.

Not cart behind the horse. This iam medical was brought up in executive talks. Im not for or against cuz we have no idea which iam medical plans could be installed and what cost. Id be surprised if everyone went to iam medical but if it keeps the level of benefits and member cost of lus then id be all for it.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not cart behind the horse. This iam medical was brought up in executive talks. Im not for or against cuz we have no idea which iam medical plans could be installed and what cost. Id be surprised if everyone went to iam medical but if it keeps the level of benefits and member cost of lus then id be all for it.

As far as I understand it Tim you never had an IAM medical plan before. What you had was a rate that Tom Reagan negotiated in your BK that the Company was obliged to match because it was a cost savings against what they were proposing. And of course no one in your group was ever willing (wisely) to give up.

This is the first time I've ever looked at this site and actually didn't even know it existed. But actually a multi employer insurance plan if this is what I'm looking at here makes a lot of sense. Both for the Companies that participate and for the employees.

I'd be welcome to learn more about this.

http://www.iambtf.org/medical-and-rx/medical-plans.aspx

 

[WeAAsles]

This is pretty interesting depending on what the total individual monthly premium is for each plan and what percentage of that the Company will agree to pick up?

http://www.iambtf.org/media/100429/H001-H003_Comparison_01-2015.pdf

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Chil I just have to ask this question. Right now you're making around 100k in pay and benefits and we're making around 70k in pay and benefits with more on the way for both our groups. We're both over 50 now and looking more towards the end of our careers rather than most of the long haul we left behind.

"Financially" why are any of us really going to give a crap about ridding ourselves of the Ass? Who's going to even try to put in the effort or frankly waste their time? What focus is anyone going to really have on the Ass once JCBA's are in place?

Inclusion in the IAMPF even if it went totally nuclear and belly up in the future (For you and I) so what. I just honestly don't get or understand why "I" should care? I mean that from the selfish stance of focusing only on me and mine BTW.

When it's all done and we have those JCBA's in place what further news do you think we'll hear from the Ass? What difference will it make to us individually? Hopefully the IAM and TWU do some Political things together but what if they don't?

You truly live up to your name.

I honestly love when you post. It's like you're taking a shovel full of dirt and slowly burying your reputation with every post.

Is all of this because we feel like we don't have as much control as we'd like?

What control?

The International? The Association? American Airlines being a closed shop?

Where the hell is this control you are talking about?

 

[Tim Nelson]

This is pretty interesting depending on what the total individual monthly premium is for each plan and what percentage of that the Company will agree to pick up?

http://www.iambtf.org/media/100429/H001-H003_Comparison_01-2015.pdf

I agree. It may be the bridge needed to get this done if the premiums, cost, etc is comparable or supported with other cost positive gains. Interesting.

 

[WeAAsles]

You truly live up to your name.

I honestly love when you post. It's like you're taking a shovel full of dirt and slowly burying your reputation with every post.



What control?

The International? The Association? American Airlines being a closed shop?

Where the hell is this control you are talking about?

You when the Senior people happily flushed you.

Switch on. Whirrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[chilokie1]

It's easy for you to say , vote no! But your group has gained while our group has lost waiting for this jcba. Like I said the iampf will be unavoidable

Not sure what my group has gained in comparison to any of the other
ASS groups, the parking lot at the base is half as full as it used to be.
The outsourcing of maintenance on LAA aircraft continues to increase,
and far as I know Memorial Day 2017 is still a work day for me.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

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You when the Senior people happily flushed you.

Switch on. Whirrrrrrrrrrrr.

Still living in your little fantasy world I see.

First off EVERYBODY in my shop and TUL lost their job, regardless of seniority.

Second I had planned on leaving American Airlines LONG before we received the news they were closing the shop. By the time I found that out I had already been in school for some time. I had actually made up my mind to go the year before, I was just waiting for the for the new year to start.

Third, I could have exercised my bumping rights or put in an internal transfer. Many of my previous coworkers went to DFW or to another title group at TULE.

If anything I dumped the senior people (when I made the decision to leave) after hiring into a sellout contract (Junior Fleet Service) and working with a bunch of cowards that allowed American Airlines to double dip in the concession pool. You were trying to save your pensions which American Airlines tried to dump on the PBGC anyway.

On February 1, 2012, American Airlines announced it would seek to terminate all four of its pension plans. Responding to the news, PBGC Director Josh Gotbaum said: "Before American takes such a drastic action as killing the pension plans of 130,000 employees and retirees, it needs to show there is no better alternative. Thus far, they have failed to provide even the most basic information to decide that."

I know you love to tell yourself I washed out or was discarded but the truth is I left on my own terms when I wanted to leave. I asked to be released early in fact so I could concentrate on school.

I think you are so obsessed with your fantasy because you can't stand the fact that someone would voluntarily leave the UNION and seek other opportunities. The fact I have been successful just makes it that much worse for you.

So go ahead...... keep that fantasy going if you find comfort it in.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[WeAAsles]

Not sure what my group has gained in comparison to any of the other
ASS groups, the parking lot at the base is half as full as it used to be.
The outsourcing of maintenance on LAA aircraft continues to increase,
and far as I know Memorial Day 2017 is still a work day for me.

He might have thought you were LUS from the sound of it?

 

[Traymark]

It is totally avoidable "just vote no" if you are on the LAA side you are the majority, do not let
yourself be sheep-herded. Since we are all have the same stake in any new contract all I ask
is, do not listen to me & do not listen to the IAMPF salesmen "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH"
there is a ton of information out there. (The PPGC website is a great place to start)

Another thing to think about people, if the IAMPF gets its foot in the door at LAA it will be that
much harder to rid ourselves of the ASS in the future.

The problem with "just voting no" is,
in Sito's world, votes have been, er,eh, um , ...adjusted as needed.
The only answer is Do NOT Put It In The JCBA, everyone at the table knows full well the majority of LAA does NOT want the IAMNPF, so NO language that forces anyone in it, period.
Also, what Tim mentioned about the IAM Medical is also very disturbing , just as the their pension fund, you also want to stay far far away from a union run medical plan, good Lord, it never ends.

 

[cltrat]

I've seen enough over time that nothing would surprise me but forcing LAA into the IAM pension would be the dumbest thing ever!
I'm for options and choice for people in both groups.
Like it or not we're all on one team now and we better start acting like it or we''ll get run the hell over.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The problem with "just voting no" is,
in Sito's world, votes have been, er,eh, um , ...adjusted as needed.
The only answer is Do NOT Put It In The JCBA, everyone at the table knows full well the majority of LAA does NOT want the IAMNPF, so NO language that forces anyone in it, period.
Also, what Tim mentioned about the IAM Medical is also very disturbing , just as the their pension fund, you also want to stay far far away from a union run medical plan, good Lord, it never ends.

I dont really have an opinion on the iam medical. I know nothing about it but im trying to find contracts that have the iam medical. WeAAsles may be able to help as he is a decent researcher. The only union medical that i came across was proposed with the teamster mechanics at United. There was alot of bait and switch in that language and i felt that united managament got something or allowing the teamster medical. Not sure if it was ever ratified though.

But our contract language will determine if i want it or not, should it be included.
The union would prolly sell it as "hey you are the only group that has a union medical...gosh!"

 

[Albert]

I dont really have an opinion on the iam medical. I know nothing about it but im trying to find contracts that have the iam medical. WeAAsles may be able to help as he is a decent researcher. The only union medical that i came across was proposed with the teamster mechanics at United. There was alot of bait and switch in that language and i felt that united managament got something or allowing the teamster medical. Not sure if it was ever ratified though.

But our contract language will determine if i want it or not, should it be included.
The union would prolly sell it as "hey you are the only group that has a union medical...gosh!"

I don't want any part of any union medical plan let's try to keep what we have, if not go to and try to improve the AA plan. And for Bobs sake let there not be a deductible for an STD

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't want any part of any union medical plan let's try to keep what we have, if not go to and try to improve the AA plan. And for Bobs sake let there not be a deductible for an STD

From the website Al.

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Unlike benefit programs that are sponsored and controlled by one employer for their own employees, a multiemployer benefit trust fund is a health fund that is created solely for the benefit of collectively bargained employees working for many employers. The fund is maintained pursuant to a trust agreement and one or more collective bargaining agreements. Employers negotiate the fund into the applicable collective bargaining agreement and agree to contribute to the fund at certain specified rates for the benefit plans that are negotiated (medical, dental, vision, etc.).

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