JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Is Tim one of your "Handlers" that you're supposed to report to?

Can someone please send me the organization charts so I can figure out who the Handlers and Drones are?

Drones don't ask questions.

Now get back to work.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[Albert]

HA HA HA are you serious? What did you do post them to death. 😀

In other words, he knows a useful idiot when he sees one.

.......went after them with a vengeance. I will be laughing at that for a LONG time.

Weez don't worry about the frigginn IAMPF I'm in it, your not, if it runs out of money I'll come live with you in your Dash Riprock bachelor pad. I think we all should analyze LA LI's post calling you a "useful idiot"

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez don't worry about the frigginn IAMPF I'm in it, your not, if it runs out of money I'll come live with you in your Dash Riprock bachelor pad. I think we all should analyze LA LI's post calling you a "useful idiot"

I'm sorry Al I couldn't hear you? I ran out of funds to visit the Ear Doctor to have the wax removed.

Dash Riprock: Professional Race Car Driver, Deep Sea Diver, and expert Himilayan Yack Wrestler.

 

[Albert]

I'm sorry Al I couldn't hear you? I ran out of funds to visit the Ear Doctor to have the wax removed.

Dash Riprock: Professional Race Car Driver, Deep Sea Diver, and expert Himilayan Yack Wrestler.

He was the movie star on the Beverly Hillbillies Jethro's idol

 

[WeAAsles]

He was the movie star on the Beverly Hillbillies Jethro's idol

You and me Al. The old fart Bachelor pad.

 

[chilokie1]

The IAMPF might be unavoidable, but being diverse might help us in the long run. Nothing is guaranteed anymore

It is totally avoidable "just vote no" if you are on the LAA side you are the majority, do not let
yourself be sheep-herded. Since we are all have the same stake in any new contract all I ask
is, do not listen to me & do not listen to the IAMPF salesmen "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH"
there is a ton of information out there. (The PPGC website is a great place to start)

Another thing to think about people, if the IAMPF gets its foot in the door at LAA it will be that
much harder to rid ourselves of the ASS in the future.

 

[WeAAsles]

It is totally avoidable "just vote no" if you are on the LAA side you are the majority, do not let
yourself be sheep-herded. Since we are all have the same stake in any new contract all I ask
is, do not listen to me & do not listen to the IAMPF salesmen "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH"
there is a ton of information out there. (The PPGC website is a great place to start)

Another thing to think about people, if the IAMPF gets its foot in the door at LAA it will be that
much harder to rid ourselves of the ASS in the future.

Chil I just have to ask this question. Right now you're making around 100k in pay and benefits and we're making around 70k in pay and benefits with more on the way for both our groups. We're both over 50 now and looking more towards the end of our careers rather than most of the long haul we left behind.

"Financially" why are any of us really going to give a crap about ridding ourselves of the Ass? Who's going to even try to put in the effort or frankly waste their time? What focus is anyone going to really have on the Ass once JCBA's are in place?

Inclusion in the IAMPF even if it went totally nuclear and belly up in the future (For you and I) so what. I just honestly don't get or understand why "I" should care? I mean that from the selfish stance of focusing only on me and mine BTW.

When it's all done and we have those JCBA's in place what further news do you think we'll hear from the Ass? What difference will it make to us individually? Hopefully the IAM and TWU do some Political things together but what if they don't?

Is all of this because we feel like we don't have as much control as we'd like?

 

[WeAAsles]

And before anyone thinks I'm trying to sell the IAMPF. I'm not. Maybe it is or winds up being a quicksand sinkhole? Or maybe things happen that do wind up giving us the benefits it's currently selling without any cuts?

Neither side of the debate owns a working crystal ball that I'm aware of.

 

[Koolcat]

It is totally avoidable "just vote no" if you are on the LAA side you are the majority, do not let
yourself be sheep-herded. Since we are all have the same stake in any new contract all I ask
is, do not listen to me & do not listen to the IAMPF salesmen "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH"
there is a ton of information out there. (The PPGC website is a great place to start)

Another thing to think about people, if the IAMPF gets its foot in the door at LAA it will be that
much harder to rid ourselves of the ASS in the future.

It's easy for you to say , vote no! But your group has gained while our group has lost waiting for this jcba. Like I said the iampf will be unavoidable

 

[chilokie1]

Chil I just have to ask this question. Right now you're making around 100k in pay and benefits and we're making around 70k in pay and benefits with more on the way for both our groups. We're both over 50 now and looking more towards the end of our careers rather than most of the long haul we left behind.

"Financially" why are any of us really going to give a crap about ridding ourselves of the Ass? Who's going to even try to put in the effort or frankly waste their time? What focus is anyone going to really have on the Ass once JCBA's are in place?

Inclusion in the IAMPF even if it went totally nuclear and belly up in the future (For you and I) so what. I just honestly don't get or understand why "I" should care? I mean that from the selfish stance of focusing only on me and mine BTW.

When it's all done and we have those JCBA's in place what further news do you think we'll hear from the Ass? What difference will it make to us individually? Hopefully the IAM and TWU do some Political things together but what if they don't?

Is all of this because we feel like we don't have as much control as we'd like?

I thought being a good union guy was to do what is best for all concerned (in my union in this case),
I think the ASS is bad for all concerned accept the the folks in DC & wherever the IAM officers are
located. I believe that joining a multi-company pension plan in 2017 is a huge mistake!!!

I feel we are being shoved in that direction and I see it as a huge mistake to let the IAMPF
get its foot in the door in any way. Once it is in the door I feel it will be forced on the membership
in years down the road.

Yes I will be retiring in 3 years but I also have a conscience & frankly I do not like being used
by the powers that be who are pushing the IAMPF ( I truly believe it will be in big trouble in the
next 5 years or so), so why should we stay silent ?

 

[WeAAsles]

I thought being a good union guy was to do what is best for all concerned (in my union in this case),
I think the ASS is bad for all concerned accept the the folks in DC & wherever the IAM officers are
located. I believe that joining a multi-company pension plan in 2017 is a huge mistake!!!

I feel we are being shoved in that direction and I see it as a huge mistake to let the IAMPF
get its foot in the door in any way. Once it is in the door I feel it will be forced on the membership
in years down the road.

Yes I will be retiring in 3 years but I also have a conscience & frankly I do not like being used
by the powers that be who are pushing the IAMPF ( I truly believe it will be in big trouble in the
next 5 years or so), so why should we stay silent ?

Had to give you a thumbs up. You didn't write anything that I can argue with here. And if you really do have a concern for people coming in behind you, you're part of the rare ones out there. Most will say they do but they're full of crap.

I didn't vote on our 95 contract that brought in JFSC for 6 years because I didn't have a clue what any of the contract stuff meant yet. If I could go back I would have voted NO on that garbage.

I'm sure I could dream up a few ideas if something was put to me for a vote that I'd have to vote no just on conscience alone like that JFSC deal.

If you could take out the IAMPF altogether then I wish the company would have a higher automatic contribution. And FORCE new hires to have to also contribute from their pay. (They can't by law I believe) If these kids don't start right out of the gate when they hire on they're absolutely going to be screwed.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I thought being a good union guy was to do what is best for all concerned (in my union in this case),
I think the ASS is bad for all concerned accept the the folks in DC & wherever the IAM officers are
located. I believe that joining a multi-company pension plan in 2017 is a huge mistake!!!

I feel we are being shoved in that direction and I see it as a huge mistake to let the IAMPF
get its foot in the door in any way. Once it is in the door I feel it will be forced on the membership
in years down the road.

Yes I will be retiring in 3 years but I also have a conscience & frankly I do not like being used
by the powers that be who are pushing the IAMPF ( I truly believe it will be in big trouble in the
next 5 years or so), so why should we stay silent ?

It isnt bad if it can deliver and enforce a good contract. Watch out for IAM Medical plans. Sito wants in on your medical as well. Sooner or later the Ass will be attached to you in every way. Trump could derail it and allow you to opt out in about 18 months if he has his way. In that case we will lose 80% of the memberzhip in the airlines.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW I do think it comes across as a little sneaky not to have a viewable PDF file of the 2016 funding letter as part of this link especially so TWU members can be prepared to ask those tough questions if the fund is put in front of us. IMO.

Understanding also that if we come in it's going to be a massive shot in the arm for the fund.

http://mypension.iamnpf.org/national-pension-plan/pension-plan-funding-notices.aspx

 

[WeAAsles]

It isnt bad if it can deliver and enforce a good contract. Watch out for IAM Medical plans. Sito wants in on your medical as well. Sooner or later the Ass will be attached to you in every way. Trump could derail it and allow you to opt out in about 18 months if he has his way. In that case we will lose 80% of the memberzhip in the airlines.

Any talk about Medical ideas happening through Washington you're seriously putting that cart before the horse Tim.

Even where most Countries have socialized medical they also have medical insurance that give people who can afford it better than the average basics.

Besides if you're talking anything at all about having medical plans like you currently have even you have said our AA medical is a piss ant next to yours.