JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

Oh go sell your BS walking. CB and Rez have done a great job filling in some of the blanks on here. Some Presidents put out Presidents messages and give more details in their Membership meetings and even one President actually puts out freakin videos.

You just want to sow the seeds of discontent for your own personal agenda.

Correct. PRez, CB, Peterson and even Danker put out information as individuals.

Not everyone knows who PRez or CB happen to as they use pseudonyms. Peterson and Danker make it clear they're only talking to their Local members.

More importantly, we are only supposed to consider official Association information. That is sorely lacking. We are getting information from several different directions, but very little from the "official" outlet. That allows rumors and misinformation to overtake everything else.

All the Members want is accurate information. Can't be that hard to share and we shouldn't have to hunt for it.

 

[AANOTOK]

"Remember, do not listen to rumors – your only official negotiations report is that issued by this Association." Lacking is being generous.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

For someone who accuses me of having an ego, you seem to talk about me much more than I do.

Typical liberal first fire strategy. They accuse you of exactly what they are doing.

I think anyone that reads these posts knows WeAAsles has the biggest ego on this forum. It's part (a small part) of why I can't stand him.

 

[Albert]

Nyer it may be there really is no information to give. You don't expect them to post this has been a clusterf$$k from the beginning

 

[WeAAsles]

Correct. PRez, CB, Peterson and even Danker put out information as individuals.

Not everyone knows who PRez or CB harken to be start use pseudonyms. Peterson and Danker make it clear they're on to their Local members.

More importantly, we are only supposed to consider official Association information. That is sorely lacking. We are getting information from several different directions, but very little from the "official" outlet. That allows rumors and misinformation to overtake everything else.

All the Members want is accurate information. Can't be that hard to share and we shouldn't have to hunt for it.

Alright explain PRECISELY and CONCISELY what information you feel they should share that they are not sharing to the members in those updates?

Should they:

Put out details of the TA's they reached?
Say what Articles or ideas they are arguing over?
Inform on what they do outside of negotiations?
Let us know exactly what the Company hasn't moved off of?
Let us know exactly what they haven't moved off from?
Let us know whenever there are squabbles (Bet you'd love that one)
Let us know when a guy wasn't there because he had to take care of an issue with his family?
Let us know if a guy had a vacation planned last year to Hawaii with his wife?
Company schedules?
IAM schedules?
TWU schedules?
Individuals "personal" issues?

What EXACTLY do YOU feel they are not conveying out to the members?

(And I'm sure you'll come back with that conveying the difficulties of putting two contracts together schtick that's your usual MO)

 

[WeAAsles]

"Remember, do not listen to rumors – your only official negotiations report is that issued by this Association." Lacking is being generous.

Same question I just put to NYer to you now AANOTOK?

 

[WeAAsles]

Nyer it may be there really is no information to give. You don't expect them to post this has been a clusterf$$k from the beginning

He doesn't want that because he agreed with, supported and sold the Association from day 1 under the mandate of his Masters.

He wants to sell that his own TWU (Current Leaders) have failed and continue to fail again for that "personal" agenda he has (Coming up soon BTW)

 

[conehead777]

Nah I'm sure they'd rather keep being your service provider and make sure you don't get as crappy service as they're currently getting over there. Right now you're making around $4.00 per hour more than they are and pretty soon that's going to increase further along with some improvements to your benefits.

Your funny that raise just puts us where we should of been. The twu service as you call it had us in a pay freeze for 13 years. At sw they were making way more then us before the interim pay raise. Plus they get better sick time better vacation. AMFA gives great updates so you can see it's the company dragging the talks to a slow go. If the ass would give updates to what's really going on then we would know allso why can't they say we put this out there the company said this . Your a twu cheerleader that's all you are putting out lies and misinformation.when the twu can give away concessions in two weeks but they can't go to the tables for 2 weeks in a row that's saying a lot. I do not care what the twu iam have going on being at the bargaining table should be there number 1 priority. It is my number 1 priority as a member.

 

[WeAAsles]

Your funny that raise just puts us where we should of been. The twu service as you call it had us in a pay freeze for 13 years. At sw they were making way more then us before the interim pay raise. Plus they get better sick time better vacation. AMFA gives great updates so you can see it's the company dragging the talks to a slow go. If the ass would give updates to what's really going on then we would know allso why can't they say we put this out there the company said this . Your a twu cheerleader that's all you are putting out lies and misinformation.when the twu can give away concessions in two weeks but they can't go to the tables for 2 weeks that's saying a lot. I do not care what the twu iam have going on being at the bargaining table should be there number 1 priority. It is my number 1 priority as a member.

I agree on one thing and always have. AMFA "people" put out great detailed updates. The updates never say they have any actual movement on that 4 and a half year standstill they got going on. But they're loaded up with all sorts of words that they continue to rehash in circles. Round and round circles.

TWU/IAM = "People"

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swamtVeteran
#711Today at 11:25 AM
Getting the NMB involved will not increase or speed up nego's, at least it hasn't at all with ours. Our mediators won't even step in and ask the co. for a little movement, nothing. Seems to us that the stall tactics the company has been doing just seems to continue even with mediators involved, now, it's just that a third party now gets paid to sit there an observe, pathetic I tell ya.

 

[Albert]

Your funny that raise just puts us where we should of been. The twu service as you call it had us in a pay freeze for 13 years. At sw they were making way more then us before the interim pay raise. Plus they get better sick time better vacation. AMFA gives great updates so you can see it's the company dragging the talks to a slow go. If the ass would give updates to what's really going on then we would know allso why can't they say we put this out there the company said this . Your a twu cheerleader that's all you are putting out lies and misinformation.when the twu can give away concessions in two weeks but they can't go to the tables for 2 weeks that's saying a lot. I do not care what the twu iam have going on being at the bargaining table should be there number 1 priority. It is my number 1 priority as a member.

Coney would avionics be in the same local as the AMTs? Ha ha

 

[Albert]

He doesn't want that because he agreed with, supported and sold the Association from day 1 under the mandate of his Masters.

He wants to sell that his own TWU (Current Leaders) have failed and continue to fail again for that "personal" agenda he has (Coming up soon BTW)

Weez you are not running again, are you? Please say your not, pretty please

 

[WeAAsles]

Coney would avionics be in the same local as the AMTs? Ha ha

They're here, they're strange. Welcome to the Planet Earth Coneheads.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez you are not running again, are you? Please say your not, pretty please

HELL NO!!! More fun being a sideline agitation to certain people.

I'm whacking me them moles and they're personal agendas here Al. Steamrolling forward.

 

[Albert]

HELL NO!!! More fun being a sideline agitation to certain people.

I'm whacking me them moles and they're personal agendas here Al. Steamrolling forward.

Trump had the MSM NYer has the Weez. Trump overcame will NYer?

 

[NYer]

Nyer it may be there really is no information to give. You don't expect them to post this has been a clusterf$$k from the beginning

Disagree Albert...this is a complicated process and the merging of two sets of CBA's isn't easy. They could certainly share more information that would help the Members understand the challenges they face.

An example. They talked about Hours of Work in several updates. What they didn't share, that might help to show the difficulties and differences in each CBA is the fact that the TWU CBA has a couple of paragraphs in that article but that's not the case for the IAM CBA. The IAM CBA, Hours of Work takes up about 8 pages and includes language our CBA has in at least 2 or 3 other Articles.

That paints a different picture as to why it might take more that a couple of weeks to TA an Article that we might see as only being two paragraphs.

Those details are lacking and is part of the reason the frustration level is so high.