JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Albert]

You'd have to ask them Al but I wouldn't be surprised? You know she's not the enemy and actually could help in letting maybe cooler heads prevail on "either" side of there is a stumbling block issue?

She could wind up being helpful? Who knows?

To me the mediator just adds another piece to the puzzle and the room is getting quite crowded

 

[WeAAsles]

To me the mediator just adds another piece to the puzzle and the room is getting quite crowded

Nah I'd say it's about right now.

Some of you might find this article interesting?

https://public.alpa.org/portals/alpa/magazine/2009/JJ2009_Puchala.pdf

 

[Koolcat]

Did some number crunching and I predict AAL will suffer a 45% drop in profits due to increased fuel and labor.

Don't quit your day job!

 

[NYer]

I think I'll stay out of the "sky is falling" frame of mind if you don't mind. And also go with what Charlie Brown and P. Rez had to say when they both agreed that they "THINK" (Have to make those things as clear as possible for you) this ""COULD" be wrapped up by July.

# 1 They have negotiated much more than you have.
# 2 They actually have negotiated with this management team and Jerry Glass before.
And # 3 They ARE actually in those rooms and have been there since day 1.

It may bother you since you actually tend to argue with them almost as often as with me BUT even you should admit they have a leg up on you in the credibility department?

(Please don't take this seemingly personal again)

That is as likely as your numerous predictions of this being finalized over the last 14 months or so, including your last prediction of May.

Bringing in a Mediator, 4 weeks from now, seems to make that timeline unlikely unless there is a monumental move from one side or the other.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Don't quit your day job!

We will find out the 27th of this month. Smarta$$

 

[WeAAsles]

That is as likely as your numerous predictions of this being finalized over the last 14 months or so, including your last prediction of May.

Bringing in a Mediator, 4 weeks from now, seems to make that timeline unlikely unless there is a monumental move from one side or the other.

You don't even get a flicker of candlelight coming into the room you're in do you?

BTW May 4 is my Birthday. I was just hoping for a present on that day. But you keep calling them predictions if it's all you got bro.

You wanna know what else I predict? LMFAO.

 

[Albert]

We will find out the 27th of this month. Smarta$$

That would still be what 400 million? So what Bob? What's with you lately did you go to Eggbeaters or something? You seem a bit angry

 

[NYer]

No, but I bet it's conducive to being "cost neutral", a company requirement.

That's the point about using industry comparables. If the current cost or future costs are on par or exceed the total value of the CBA's in order airlines, then they will seek cost neutral agreements. If we are below, they will reach others and even pass then by a certain percentage.

With a mediator, they will push towards getting a deal done, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the best in the industry or meet any of our stated requirements. As long as the Company makes an effort to meet the current industry comparables, the push will be for the union to make up the difference in the areas of disagreement or modify something somewhere else.

Therefore, having a Mediator involved seems to indicate there has been little movement in position and someone was needed to infuse a different perspective. That doesn't bode well for a quick resolution if we stick to our guns. If a deal is a goal, then it seems the union side would need to make the movement to make that happen sooner rather than later.

I doubt that would happen willingly, therefore get a comfy seat, we might be here for a while.

 

[NYer]

You don't even get a flicker of candlelight coming into the room you're in do you?

BTW May 4 is my Birthday. I was just hoping for a present on that day. But you keep calling them predictions if it's all you got bro.

You wanna know what else I predict? LMFAO.

Misinformed again. Keep relying on that flawed premise push onto to you by your handlers.

 

[WeAAsles]

Misinformed again. Keep relying on that flawed premise push onto to you by your handlers.

"Onto to you" ? Huh?

Black clouds are looming on your horizon my friend and the seas are angry. As angry as an old man trying to return soup at a Deli.

 

[Albert]

That's the point about using industry comparables. If the current cost or future costs are on par or exceed the total value of the CBA's in order airlines, then they will seek cost neutral agreements. If we are below, they will reach others and even pass then by a certain percentage.

With a mediator, they will push towards getting a deal done, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the best in the industry or meet any of our stated requirements. As long as the Company makes an effort to meet the current industry comparables, the push will be for the union to make up the difference in the areas of disagreement or modify something somewhere else.

Therefore, having a Mediator involved seems to indicate there has been little movement in position and someone was needed to infuse a different perspective. That doesn't bode well for a quick resolution if we stick to our guns. If a deal is a goal, then it seems the union side would need to make the movement to make that happen sooner rather than later.

I doubt that would happen willingly, therefore get a comfy seat, we might be here for a while.

Sorry Weez I have to agree with the man 1000%

 

[bob@las-AA]

That would still be what 400 million? So what Bob? What's with you lately did you go to Eggbeaters or something? You seem a bit angry

Well as a matter of fact, Doc asked me to lay off the for a while, but no not mad, just like to stir the pot once in a while.

 

[gulfcoast1]

I don't accept it either. So how do we get the Company to schedule more?

How do we know whose fault it is? That's part of what I am talking about. If the Union is dragging their feet, they are partly to blame. If the company is dragging their feet, then the Union is also partly to blame for not communicating that.

Every single time the company denies a Union request to meet for a week, the Union should communicate that.

The one thing that every single TWU member I have spoken with agrees on is that 1 or 2 weeks a month is ridiculous, and they are losing our support because of this.

Do you know anyone in MIA who thinks that 1 or 2 weeks is enough and that our Union is doing everything possible to schedule more? Do you believe this yourself?

 

[gulfcoast1]

I don't accept it either. So how do we get the Company to schedule more?

The fact there is a need for mediation and both parties agreed shows there is an issue in the room to get a deal done. There seems to be little movement and if a mediator is brought in, the advantage goes to the Company.

If they don't agree with the mediator, then the process continues on its current path.

If they do agree with the mediator, then the process is moving towards the Company's liking.

Either way, for the TWU, it is not a good turn of events.

I agree completely and this is why I said it is not good news. How do we go from the strong messages of the last month about the Leaders joining to this without an explanation. IMO the negotiators are fighting for a good agreement, but their lack of communication and (giving them the benefit of the doubt and using the weakest language here) their lack of resistance to talking a week a month means they are pi$$ing the support of the people who do support them away (like me believe it or not). That is what is called a waste.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry Weez I have to agree with the man 1000%

There was a time I would have also. Pre-merger, Pre-view the last few years the direction the industry has gone.