JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

Appreciate the reply, CB.

 

[NYer]

CB & PRez.

It seems there would be more support and patience if the information you share on a blog could be more widely broadcast.

Most don't understand the difficulties in trying to take two CBA's and turn it into one. Probably the most difficult part of these changes, aside from language, is the difference in culture between the two unions, the memberships and the airlines.

Obviously, you can't control what happens outside the IAM, but as Association members we all will be affected by a JCBA vote. It is important all Members be able to assess their decision on how to vote with the most accurate picture of the process and the challenges faced rather than with anger, disappointment and frustration.

 

[NYer]

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Being that we have someone of authority under the Charlie Brown moniker in this thread, your picture seems to be a thoughtless choice.

 

[WeAAsles]

Being that we have someone of authority under the Charlie Brown moniker in this thread, your picture seems to be a thoughtless choice.

I'm sure the Charlie Brown in this thread has said "Good Grief" himself on more than one occasion.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

JetBlue shows ill will toward employees who used ‘too many’ sick days, lawsuit claims

 

[WeAAsles]

JetBlue shows ill will toward employees who used ‘too many’ sick days, lawsuit claims

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ew-york-paid-sick-leave-law-article-1.3016062

 

[charlie Brown]

CB & PRez.

It seems there would be more support and patience if the information you share on a blog could be more widely broadcast.

Most don't understand the difficulties in trying to take two CBA's and turn it into one. Probably the most difficult part of these changes, aside from language, is the difference in culture between the two unions, the memberships and the airlines.

Obviously, you can't control what happens outside the IAM, but as Association members we all will be affected by a JCBA vote. It is important all Members be able to assess their decision on how to vote with the most accurate picture of the process and the challenges faced rather than with anger, disappointment and frustration.

I agree it would. However the IAM is set up a little different from the TWU. In that if anything official comes out, then it comes out from headquarters. I know the TWU has their own local presidents who each has his own autonomy so to speak. I do believe in communicating as much as possible. Most people are aware of who I am. I also do a huge group email that I put out to the members. It started as a Clt email briefing, but now has grown to where at least one person from every IAM station is probably on it. If not, then almost every station. I also get on here as often as possible to answer questions. And like I said, most know who I am, even though I'm CB on here. But weekly updates in negotiations just aren't going to have much meat to them from week to week. To be honest. After working all week, a lot of the negotiators when it comes to the briefing, doesn't even really get that engaged with it. It would probably be much better if the association assigned one person to be responsible for it from week to week in my opinion.

 

[NYer]

I agree it would. However the IAM is set up a little different from the TWU. In that if anything official comes out, then it comes out from headquarters. I know the TWU has their own local presidents who each has his own autonomy so to speak. I do believe in communicating as much as possible. Most people are aware of who I am. I also do a huge group email that I put out to the members. It started as a Clt email briefing, but now has grown to where at least one person from every IAM station is probably on it. If not, then almost every station. I also get on here as often as possible to answer questions. And like I said, most know who I am, even though I'm CB on here. But weekly updates in negotiations just aren't going to have much meat to them from week to week. To be honest. After working all week, a lot of the negotiators when it comes to the briefing, doesn't even really get that engaged with it. It would probably be much better if the association assigned one person to be responsible for it from week to week in my opinion.

Most of the confusion and frustration comes from different versions of what is happening. We can want solidarity and patience but for the Members that aren't getting the information or getting conflicting information find that difficult to give.

It's been an issue on the TWU and the hope was for the Association to neutralize that. Hopefully, it doesn't negatively influence a vote on a JCBA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Most of the confusion and frustration comes from different versions of what is happening. We can want solidarity and patience but for the Members that aren't getting the information or getting conflicting information find that difficult to give.

It's been an issue on the TWU and the hope was for the Association to neutralize that. Hopefully, it doesn't negatively influence a vote on a JCBA.

I think your concern is highly unwarranted. The TWU are doing just fine.

But I do agree that some TWU Presidents need to inform their members much better.

Unfortunately my President here in MIA does not do Presidents messages to the members to inform us of these so called difficulties of which you speak. He's woefully inadequate in that area.

Now maybe you should stop badgering these nice people already?

 

[charlie Brown]

Most of the confusion and frustration comes from different versions of what is happening. We can want solidarity and patience but for the Members that aren't getting the information or getting conflicting information find that difficult to give.

It's been an issue on the TWU and the hope was for the Association to neutralize that. Hopefully, it doesn't negatively influence a vote on a JCBA.

NYer
I can tell you that most if not all of the IAM members on the negotiating team are using this week to get to our respective stations we are over to brief our members. I am headed to Clt tomorrow to brief and then to D.C. Which is another one of my stations to brief and answer questions Wednesday. Other members of the IAM that's on the team are doing the same. While I can't make it down to sunny Mia, feel free to pm me for my cell, or get my number from someone you know. I will be glad to brief you on what I can so you can inform the membership there. I believe we all should be doing everything we can to keep our members informed. Even those not on the negotiating team. Feel free to contact me anytime.

 

[Talos]

AANOTOK
You make some good points. But I don't say what I say to try and cover my ass. When i have time I come on here to try and answer questions and I am as straight up with everyone as I can be. I have given break rooms and people my opinion for awhile now as to when we could get this done. But it is just that, my educated opinion. It wouldn't be the first time I have been wrong. This I can assure you. That Sito and Harry doesn't come in with plans to negotiate for another year. They come in to wrap things up. And yes for the IAM side anyway, it was always known Sito would come in at some point. I think I have said this before.
And I can only tell you how I feel about the guys I negotiate with. I can't speak for them as to how they feel the association is going. I don't have a issue with any of the TWU guys. Yes I argue with them from time to time. I also argue with the IAM guys from time to time. Ask PRez. Haha. But I take arguing as part of the job. It is part of negotiations. If it bothers you to have disagreements and argue a little with your union brothers, then negotiations would probably send you to a early grave. I'm the type that will argue a point with you all day, then go have a beer with you that evening. Because I look at it as a normal part of negotiations. If people have told you we don't get along. Ok, I guess thats ok they feel that way. I'm just telling you how I feel. Again we argue and discuss issues everyday, but when we meet with the company we are one united group.
I personally think people confuse the very difficult job of bringing two contract together ( which is always difficult ) with the two unions not getting together. Again. I'm one that doesn't lose sleep on the fact that I argued with someone earlier in the day. So i don't call that not getting along. Company does the same thing. Don't think we haven't heard them raise their voices to each other over the course of these talks.

I'm sure the people negotiating are trying their best, but the situation they are in is complicated by the Association.The 2 unions had quite a bit of time to work on things before the Association was approved, without a vote. Many people I have worked with never cared for the Association due to it being forced on us. I'm sure it is rough dealing with the company also. I've read the comments by LUS guys about Parker, and felt he doesn't care at all about getting a deal done. I hope things go well but know you have to take care of your own which makes this Association a problem.

 

[NYer]

NYer
I can tell you that most if not all of the IAM members on the negotiating team are using this week to get to our respective stations we are over to brief our members. I am headed to Clt tomorrow to brief and then to D.C. Which is another one of my stations to brief and answer questions Wednesday. Other members of the IAM that's on the team are doing the same. While I can't make it down to sunny Mia, feel free to pm me for my cell, or get my number from someone you know. I will be glad to brief you on what I can so you can inform the membership there. I believe we all should be doing everything we can to keep our members informed. Even those not on the negotiating team. Feel free to contact me anytime.

Thanks for the offer, but the hope is to get a unified perspective of what the challenges are why this process has taken the time it has. If that was better understood and explained in an official manner it would help to bring everyone together.

The lack of unified information, other than the weekly negotiations updates, coming to the floor is counter to giving the Members the feel of confidence needed to create a more sustainable feel of solidarity.

In MIA, the experience of being at the table has allowed us to share that perspective and try to explain the time consuming and complex challenging faced by the NC.

That point of view has been shared in Membership Meetings, emails, our closed social media outlets and face to face encounters. However, nothing beats an official explanation.

We know it isn't in your power to make the changes many hope for, but our concern has been shared with the TWU side and we hoped to convey the same to you and the IAM side.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Somebody didn't close the hitch, and they are behind my gate with a flight trying to exit.

 

[WeAAsles]

Thanks for the offer, but the hope is to get a unified perspective of what the challenges are why this process has taken the time it has. If that was better understood and explained in an official manner it would help to bring everyone together.

The lack of unified information, other than the weekly negotiations updates, coming to the floor is counter to giving the Members the feel of confidence needed to create a more sustainable feel of solidarity.

In MIA, the experience of being at the table has allowed us to share that perspective and try to explain the time consuming and complex challenging faced by the NC.

That point of view has been shared in Membership Meetings, emails, our closed social media outlets and face to face encounters. However, nothing beats an official explanation.

We know it isn't in your power to make the changes many hope for, but our concern has been shared with the TWU side and we hoped to convey the same to you and the IAM side.

You couldn't just say no thank you?

 

[robbedagain]

bib did they forget to set the brake and was it in the proper area