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A lot of that you don't know what they're offering? They need to actually start talking about it to know?
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A lot of that you don't know what they're offering? They need to actually start talking about it to know?
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Big difference from what I've heard. Our CC's listen and are directed by other CC's. Not management.
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Haven't heard of anyone losing anything at all. Just heard a lot of paranoia that people "think" they're going to lose things?
FEAR!!!!!!
Weez it could be said that your impatiences is going to cost all the LUS people for the sake of a couple of hundred commuters
I think you've heard wrong you are the guys with hundreds of managers walking around not us
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I'm not impatient. The Leaders will probably be going in some time next month and they might actually be the ones who've grown impatient with the progress?
I just don't like the idea that me and my people "may" be being played as a bunch of suckers.
Nothing bothers me more than that Al.
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Please tell me you are not going to send out a TA that does not contain a mid-contract wage adjustment. The FA's have one in their contract, and got a good raise last year. The pilots do not and you see how unhappy they are about it on Jetnet. The TWU have one and got a raise because of it also. Not including a mid-contract adjustment would be a negotiation failure IMO.
Please learn from the FA's, pilots and TWU on this.
Do you plan to ask for some sort of mid-contract adjustment?
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Weez beat me to it.
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A mid contract wage adjustment won't work unless it's compared to Delta since no one knows what they might do. So the only group you can compare with would be UAL since they have a contract that will become amendable before ours. But mid contract we will be earning in BASE wages more than them anyway.
The argument that the FA's are putting forth which the Company is fighting is that Delta wages should be included in that adjustment. If I remember correctly that wasn't the intent of the language and it only included AFA UAL because they were still in negotiations. If I'm right they'll probably lose their Arbitration?
What hopefully our Association can get would be a one time wage adjustment one year after our amendable date and continuing forward if UAL leaps over us? Something that factors in the average or even better keeps us at least 3% above them.
Like I said. If Delta ramp were organized and had a CBA we could include them. But otherwise we can't have our cake and eat it too or the company can have the ability to discuss their Ready Reserve costs. Something I'd rather they can't discuss.
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From reading the NPA I can see an argument being made on both sides. The original agreement was vague as to whether or not Delta should be included if UAL went over any type of specified time limit to come to an agreement.
If the Company does lose their case you can expect them to be more specific if they give us any type of similar language for the future.
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that is an angle i've heard..that the company will drag it's feet until it's time to renew it's insurance deals.
i also believe that lombardo & pantoja will only negotiate the money...and piecing together facts, such as those two haven't gotten involved yet, tells me this may be the case.
wage-wise, i believe we will get a very good contract. a contract that couldn't even be imagined 4-5 years ago. wait until c/c or leads (whoever wins that battle) make over $37.00/hr max rate.
i see customs guys walking around with their dogs shaking their heads at what passenger service makes, wait until they find out what a toothless c/c with a beer belly makes.
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I don't have a beer belly and have only had molars pulled so far.
I think it will probably be the IAM's whiz kid Tommy Reagan who works on and tries to negotiate the Medical issue? He was the one who found the plan for the IAM guys in the first place and I've heard our guys like him and have faith in his abilities.
The argument could be made against the company that if he finds a more cost efficient plan covering all 30,000 Association members that we don't want what AA is offering under their plans? Of course how to administer the subsidy back becomes the next question since currently under the TWU contract we pay 21% of AA's "projected" costs?
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A perspective on the Negotiations from TWU Local 591 Maintenance President Gary Peterson.
February 23, 2017
To the Membership,
Another week of negotiations has drawn to an end, with little progress made. I say that not to rub salt in the wound, but to call attention to my concern as the President of your Local. CEO Doug Parker has said for over a year to “take a leap of faith,” yet in over one year of negotiations, American’s proposals continue to be written for us to only achieve the third worst contract of the Big 3 in the industry - (Delta, United, & American). As I talk with members, I am often asked why are negotiations taking so long? Simply put, because the ask by American in their proposals is never the “industry’s best” and more times than not their proposal is written in concessionary terms, rather than a collaborative offer giving members the industries best contract. I have negotiated enough agreements to know when the process is competitive and when the process is collaborative, and I will say it again - these negotiations remain unequivocally competitive based on American’s proposals. Not only are the company’s proposals often laden with the industries most concessionary terms and conditions, but they also they fly in the face of what our Executive Leadership Team says that the company’s “employee relations” should reflect.
So let’s cut to the chase, my sole obligation in negotiations is to bring back a JCBA that is the “best in the industry,” for our members, which is what CEO Parker has promised multiple times in person and in his town hall videos. On the shop floor I hear that management often tells our members “that it’s the union slowing down the negotiatiations.” If our objective were to simply deliver the third best contract in the industry, then that statement would be accurate. However, since we have no interest in further concessions or bringing back to the membership a substandard JCBA, we are forced into making multiple proposals that often are ending at an “industry leading” impasse and are put on the shelf for later consideration. All you have to do is look at the disparity in what employees are receiving in “profit sharing” versus the so-called “at risk compensation” management is stuffing into their pockets, and you should quickly realize that management thinks the membership isn’t paying attention to detail and is once again willing to be gassed up and taken for a ride.
So where do we go from here? It is time to rise up, further unify, and prepare for what may be the fight of our lives. That said; let me give you a little solace in why I am coming out so strong in this letter. This past week I found out that CEO Parker’s hired negotiator, Jerry Glass, was able to negotiate a tentative agreement in about a month between multiple elevator companies and the International Union of Elevator Constructors (IUEC). I was surprised when I was told that a tentative agreement was reached so quickly, so I made a call and found out that the elevator companies came to the table with a comprehensive proposal that contained a highly “collaborative offer.” So why can’t Jerry get American to do the same? Could it be that American’s true agenda isn’t to negotiate the airline industries best contract; but rather, to string the employees along like pre-bankruptcy American, post bankruptcy United and how Southwest has recently done with both TWU and AMFA? If American’s leadership team is serious about negotiating the “Best Contract in the Industry,” then it is time for us to demand they change course and bring some fresh faces to the bargaining table that can get this deal done; in a few weeks when the International Leadership joins our negotiating sessions. Since none of us can predict the future, the Local must move forward with the next phase of our contingency plan. Many members of Local 591 have already committed to participate in our campaign on American, if called upon to do so. However, since Local 591 is so large, some members may still not be aware that we have developed an organizational readiness plan, if we are forced to fight for the best contract in the industry. If you have not already committed, I am requesting you send an email to info@local591, letting us know that you are ready and willing to participate in our effort to achieve the “Best Contract in the Airline Industry,” should CEO Parker and this executive team fail to deliver on what they have all promised to us.
Gary Peterson
President
February 23, 2017
To the Membership,
Another week of negotiations has drawn to an end, with little progress made. I say that not to rub salt in the wound, but to call attention to my concern as the President of your Local. CEO Doug Parker has said for over a year to “take a leap of faith,” yet in over one year of negotiations, American’s proposals continue to be written for us to only achieve the third worst contract of the Big 3 in the industry - (Delta, United, & American). As I talk with members, I am often asked why are negotiations taking so long? Simply put, because the ask by American in their proposals is never the “industry’s best” and more times than not their proposal is written in concessionary terms, rather than a collaborative offer giving members the industries best contract. I have negotiated enough agreements to know when the process is competitive and when the process is collaborative, and I will say it again - these negotiations remain unequivocally competitive based on American’s proposals. Not only are the company’s proposals often laden with the industries most concessionary terms and conditions, but they also they fly in the face of what our Executive Leadership Team says that the company’s “employee relations” should reflect.
So let’s cut to the chase, my sole obligation in negotiations is to bring back a JCBA that is the “best in the industry,” for our members, which is what CEO Parker has promised multiple times in person and in his town hall videos. On the shop floor I hear that management often tells our members “that it’s the union slowing down the negotiatiations.” If our objective were to simply deliver the third best contract in the industry, then that statement would be accurate. However, since we have no interest in further concessions or bringing back to the membership a substandard JCBA, we are forced into making multiple proposals that often are ending at an “industry leading” impasse and are put on the shelf for later consideration. All you have to do is look at the disparity in what employees are receiving in “profit sharing” versus the so-called “at risk compensation” management is stuffing into their pockets, and you should quickly realize that management thinks the membership isn’t paying attention to detail and is once again willing to be gassed up and taken for a ride.
So where do we go from here? It is time to rise up, further unify, and prepare for what may be the fight of our lives. That said; let me give you a little solace in why I am coming out so strong in this letter. This past week I found out that CEO Parker’s hired negotiator, Jerry Glass, was able to negotiate a tentative agreement in about a month between multiple elevator companies and the International Union of Elevator Constructors (IUEC). I was surprised when I was told that a tentative agreement was reached so quickly, so I made a call and found out that the elevator companies came to the table with a comprehensive proposal that contained a highly “collaborative offer.” So why can’t Jerry get American to do the same? Could it be that American’s true agenda isn’t to negotiate the airline industries best contract; but rather, to string the employees along like pre-bankruptcy American, post bankruptcy United and how Southwest has recently done with both TWU and AMFA? If American’s leadership team is serious about negotiating the “Best Contract in the Industry,” then it is time for us to demand they change course and bring some fresh faces to the bargaining table that can get this deal done; in a few weeks when the International Leadership joins our negotiating sessions. Since none of us can predict the future, the Local must move forward with the next phase of our contingency plan. Many members of Local 591 have already committed to participate in our campaign on American, if called upon to do so. However, since Local 591 is so large, some members may still not be aware that we have developed an organizational readiness plan, if we are forced to fight for the best contract in the industry. If you have not already committed, I am requesting you send an email to info@local591, letting us know that you are ready and willing to participate in our effort to achieve the “Best Contract in the Airline Industry,” should CEO Parker and this executive team fail to deliver on what they have all promised to us.
Gary Peterson
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