JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

And Al since IAM UAL does most of their commuter work, I expect we'll be gaining that work on the LAA side too at least in our Hubs?

Oh look. Something else our side is waiting for.

Tick Tock.

 

[Albert]

And Al since IAM UAL does most of their commuter work, I expect we'll be gaining that work on the LAA side too at least in our Hubs?

Oh look. Something else our side is waiting for.

Tick Tock.

I'm sure that work wasn't just given to UA I'm sure they had to give something up more than likely scope and the smaller cities. and if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath.I hope if one of OUR negotiators or officers don't like what Sito and your boy deliver they will say so.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm sure that work wasn't just given to UA I'm sure they had to give something up more than likely scope and the smaller cities. and if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath.I hope if one of OUR negotiators or officers don't like what Sito and your boy deliver they will say so.

Nope. Sorry Al. You're chatting with the guy who reads and follows all of those industry contracts.

Your District President Mike Klemm secured all those Stations back till at least 2024 (They were on an earlier chopping block) Got all their wages brought nicely up, and gained a bunch of Commuter work. Besides a few other nice little tidbits. And the only thing they gave up was their Longevity. A kudos of course also has to be given to Oscar Munoz obviously.

I won't speak for how your guys will react if that happens honestly and nothing personal meant by that. But again I know on my side all of our guys will be on the same page. They are right now. There is no not working together in the TWU group and unlike maybe in the past there are no overlords.

And I've heard from people in both organizations that Harry and Sito get along great so maybe you can find a little comfort in that?

 

[WeAAsles]

Newly signed contracts between United Airlines (UAL) and its largest union have an unprecedented effect: They bring back work that had been outsourced and they protect thousands of other jobs from being outsourced in the foreseeable future.

Under the contracts, which are scheduled to be signed Monday, about 400 to 500 fleet service and passenger service agent jobs for United Express at Los Angeles International and San Francisco International airports were brought under the jurisdiction of the International Association of Machinists, which represents 30,000 United workers.

"We never had this before," said Mike Klemm, president of IAM District 141. "The unprecedented thing is that no {major airline} contract has ever been able to protect regional flying until now."

https://www.thestreet.com/story/135...ith-iam-reverse-the-trend-to-outsourcing.html

 

[lax]

lax

Why don't you reserve the name calling until you see what is in the contract. As a negotiator, I've seen all the groups before us have buyers remorse for rushing into their contracts. I do not want to see that happen to us, that is why you see both sides, LAA and LUS, being as thorough as possible. I am not in any hurry to bring out a substandard contract.

P. Rez

no one called you names sir. you all's performance and abilities is what has been called into question. if your skin is that thin then the membership is in more trouble than I thought

 

[WeAAsles]

no one called you names sir. you all's performance and abilities is what has been called into question. if your skin is that thin then the membership is in more trouble than I thought

lax to a degree I think you're being unfair. I'll tell you that since they started the Negotiations there have been a lot of things they held firm on that I agreed with. And there are some items right now that I agree with as well. And I think you would too?

Maybe you're forgetting that this isn't a robbery they have going on and they can't just point a gun at the company and make them hand over their wallet.

Also remember Parker himself said in one of the roadshows that 2 weeks per month for Negotiating is enough so it doesn't seem like they've been in too much of a hurry either.

Maybe you're hearing different but what I've heard at least for a while now the guys on both sides of the room have agreed on what they should hold firm on.

But I also agree that it's time to let the Leaders on both sides and the REAL decision makers for AA come in and get the ball rolling a little faster now.

 

[WeAAsles]

And I'd like it if the guys would hold firm and explain (convince) the Company of the advantages to the Penalty Hour/Task Completion language being brought back as well.

I think the Company would be stupid frankly to not want to agree to that. It absolutely will solve a lot of flight delay situations and could also cut down on forced OT.

 

[lax]

Curious?

Are you ok with only 7 Holliday's or do you think we deserve 10 like everyone else in the industry including the agents have?

Are you ok with having only 5 weeks vacation or would it be nice if we were restored to 7?

How about OT? The IAM contract gets Double time on second day off and they go in the mix for second day off call in instead of at the bottom. Or are you ok with staying with the way we have it now?

How about SCOPE? Do you think it's ok for management to be able to direct the workforce?

What other things can we think of that maybe those guys in there now should just bend over for so we can see progress on an end of the week update?

the answer to all of your questions is it "depends," with the exception of "management directing the workforce" nonsense. as far as what is deserved vs reality are 2 different things. we deserve cabin back, penalty hours, our pensions, full restoration of our 01 contract, etc. but reality says "not gonna happen." my mindset is to make continuous improvements for the majority of the membership as often as possible. all or nothing doesn't work when you have no leverage. so yes I would take 8 or 9 holidays although we know full well we deserve more. I'll take the pos iampf if I could still maintain the 401 with a 5% match. I'll take the pos cs policy if it meant station staffing going back down to the 7-10 flights a day range so our guys can finally get home to their families. I'll take 6 weeks vacation "now" vs waiting 2 yrs for the "hope" of one more. I'd consider trading small areas like encoding, for example, if it meant say regaining cabin or eagle transfer. so as you can see im not inflexible. im just a realist. and just seems that much of the IGMers are detached from reality

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh and if someone comes on and says that Medical thing is one of the items they should hold firm on. Hard to hold firm on something they haven't even begun to discuss yet.

But that's the one that I think everyone's afraid might be hiding around the corner waiting to do a Michael Myers on them?

Maybe Michael is there and maybe he's not? But eventually you're going to have to look around the bushes and find out cause it's the only road home.

 

[Albert]

the answer to all of your questions is it "depends," with the exception of "management directing the workforce" nonsense. as far as what is deserved vs reality are 2 different things. we deserve cabin back, penalty hours, our pensions, full restoration of our 01 contract, etc. but reality says "not gonna happen." my mindset is to make continuous improvements for the majority of the membership as often as possible. all or nothing doesn't work when you have no leverage. so yes I would take 8 or 9 holidays although we know full well we deserve more. I'll take the pos iampf if I could still maintain the 401 with a 5% match. I'll take the pos cs policy if it meant station staffing going back down to the 7-10 flights a day range so our guys can finally get home to their families. I'll take 6 weeks vacation "now" vs waiting 2 yrs for the "hope" of one more. I'd consider trading small areas like encoding, for example, if it meant say regaining cabin or eagle transfer. so as you can see im not inflexible. im just a realist. and just seems that much of the IGMers are detached from reality

It's not that easy all you're really saying is I'll take the blond over the brunette. The company isn't offering either

 

[cltrat]

Rat I'll ask you this again. Do you care even one small iota about any of the issues plaguing your Brothers and Sisters on the LAA side?

Do you care at all about guys being away from their families or even worse still on the street?

You didn't answer this the first time I asked you so does the old saying goes "Silence speaks volumes" apply?

Corporate greed?
Union greed?
Human greed?

oh bullchit don't give me that I work with dozens here in clt from pit that will never get to go back no matter what happens on this cba, You want our scope don't you? you want out overtime rules or you should.Why do you not want to hold a company making billions accountable to bring you guys insurance up to ours?? That what I want for your guys too and if you get our scope them getting home will take care of itself.
As far someone on the committee calling Harry or Sito out those IAM guys on their call Sito boss so I doubt they will tell him jackchit if they want to keep that 6 figure job.

when you make jokes about peoples health you come across as an arrogant prick to me

 

[WeAAsles]

the answer to all of your questions is it "depends," with the exception of "management directing the workforce" nonsense. as far as what is deserved vs reality are 2 different things. we deserve cabin back, penalty hours, our pensions, full restoration of our 01 contract, etc. but reality says "not gonna happen." my mindset is to make continuous improvements for the majority of the membership as often as possible. all or nothing doesn't work when you have no leverage. so yes I would take 8 or 9 holidays although we know full well we deserve more. I'll take the pos iampf if I could still maintain the 401 with a 5% match. I'll take the pos cs policy if it meant station staffing going back down to the 7-10 flights a day range so our guys can finally get home to their families. I'll take 6 weeks vacation "now" vs waiting 2 yrs for the "hope" of one more. I'd consider trading small areas like encoding, for example, if it meant say regaining cabin or eagle transfer. so as you can see im not inflexible. im just a realist. and just seems that much of the IGMers are detached from reality

Oh you certainly are a man who knows things aren't you. Nice to read some of these things out in the open for a change.

Cabin is now in the Maintenance class and Craft so no I wouldn't want to trade anything for that one. How about fueling instead? (Dare I dream)

Yea they'll probably settle on 6 weeks vacation since that's industry standard right now anyway.

They have to hold firm on 10 Holliday's just because its industry standard and it would look weak if the Mechanics and the Agents had it and we didn't. Yea financially big whoop but perceptions do factor in to the membership IGM crowd.

We're going in to that IAMPF whether we like it or not IMO. Don't think we'll get 5% on the match 401k but it would be nice to go 1% over the UAL 3% to be the leaders.

The CS language yea they should have fought harder to be able to make up the hours lost with anyone not just the same guy you gave your hours too, but we'll adapt.

I think we'll get those Eagle runner jobs back at no cost? And commuter work in at least the hubs and spoke cities?

Station Staffing has to be the same as the agents. If there's a PSA upstairs there should be a RA downstairs. (But they haven't even gotten to that yet)

Management directing the workforce agree. No freakin way in hell. They're honestly way too stupid and I'd rather have more of our guys on the clock and a lot less of them in the future. What that means is no stupid Leads either. I want Crew Chiefs period.

And your entire comment was a walking breath of fresh air. Yes you are a realist and yes the IGMers are detached from reality. Some of them seem to have dropped down Alice's hole and are smoking with the Mad Hatter.

 

[WeAAsles]

oh bullchit don't give me that I work with dozens here in clt from pit that will never get to go back no matter what happens on this cba, You want our scope don't you? you want out overtime rules or you should.Why do you not want to hold a company making billions accountable to bring you guys insurance up to ours?? That what I want for your guys too and if you get our scope them getting home will take care of itself.
As far someone on the committee calling Harry or Sito out those IAM guys on their call Sito boss so I doubt they will tell him jackchit if they want to keep that 6 figure job.

when you make jokes about peoples health you come across as an arrogant prick to me

BS. We get a JCBA and absolutely they get to go back home to PHL. What are you smoking on that one?

As far as your Medical you're the one being paranoid on that. You guys are even afraid to start talking with the Company about it for Gods sake. When did I ever say that your Medical needs or should go up? But how about someone grows a set and at least starts talking about it again? But "maybe" I'm the one being held hostage for that Medical issue, not you. So EASY for you to talk man.

And again I'm not IAM and if you are absolutely sure that your guys can't open their mouths for fear of being tossed out in the dessert. Then I'm sorry but what YOU'RE saying is that their own arses are more important than their members? Is that what YOU are saying?

And of course I want your OT rules. I've said that before haven't I.

 

[Albert]

Oh you certainly are a man who knows things aren't you. Nice to read some of these things out in the open for a change.

Cabin is now in the Maintenance class and Craft so no I wouldn't want to trade anything for that one. How about fueling instead? (Dare I dream)

Yea they'll probably settle on 6 weeks vacation since that's industry standard right now anyway.

They have to hold firm on 10 Holliday's just because its industry standard and it would look weak if the Mechanics and the Agents had it and we didn't. Yea financially big whoop but perceptions do factor in to the membership IGM crowd.

We're going in to that IAMPF whether we like it or not IMO. Don't think we'll get 5% on the match 401k but it would be nice to go 1% over the UAL 3% to be the leaders.

The CS language yea they should have fought harder to be able to make up the hours lost with anyone not just the same guy you gave your hours too, but we'll adapt.

I think we'll get those Eagle runner jobs back at no cost? And commuter work in at least the hubs and spoke cities?

Station Staffing has to be the same as the agents. If there's a PSA upstairs there should be a RA downstairs. (But they haven't even gotten to that yet)

Management directing the workforce agree. No freakin way in hell. They're honestly way too stupid and I'd rather have more of our guys on the clock and a lot less of them in the future. What that means is no stupid Leads either. I want Crew Chiefs period.

And your entire comment was a walking breath of fresh air. Yes you are a realist and yes the IGMers are detached from reality. Some of them seem to have dropped down Alice's hole and are smoking with the Mad Hatter.

Whats the difference between a stupid Lead and a stupid Crew Chief they are one in the same

 

[Albert]

BS. We get a JCBA and absolutely they get to go back home to PHL. What are you smoking on that one?

As far as your Medical you're the one being paranoid on that. You guys are even afraid to start talking with the Company about it for Gods sake. When did I ever say that your Medical needs or should go up? But how about someone grows a set and at least starts talking about it again? But "maybe" I'm the one being held hostage for that Medical issue, not you. So EASY for you to talk man.

And again I'm not IAM and if you are absolutely sure that your guys can't open their mouths for fear of being tossed out in the dessert. Then I'm sorry but what YOU'RE saying is that their own arses are more important than their members? Is that what YOU are saying?

And of course I want your OT rules. I've said that before haven't I.

Doesn't sound like one arse is more important than the other sounds like one arse is going to lose more than the other and he would be correct.